[comp.protocols.kerberos] New ISO Authentication Work and Kerberos

news@linus.UUCP (USENET NEWS) (02/27/90)

At the last ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 21 meetings in November, a New Work Item (NWI)was
proposed on an "Authentication Exchange ASE".  The US (ANSI) must vote on
the ballot for this NWI.  At its January meeting, ANSI X3T5.5 prepared a
DRAFT response which is reproduce below.  X3T5.5 meets again next week and
will make its ballot recommendation then.  If you have comments on this
matter, please e-mail responses to me.
From: gomberg@gateway.mitre.org (Dave Gomberg)
Path: gateway.mitre.org!gomberg

To make the draft response a little more comprehensible, the following is a
PARTIAL quote from the NWI:

	The Authentication ASE will provide ... support [for] n-way peer
	authentication ... [and] may also carry other security related
	information such as keying material ...  

	The authentication exchange may also be associated with any nominated
	security exchange mechanisms.  The specification of particular
	mechanisms is not within the scope of this work.  General methods
	for specifying the aspects of such mechanisms relevant to this ASE
	(e.g., data types of transferred parameters) are within the scope...

Since Kerberos is one of the suggested candidates, comments from the Project
Athena folks or Kerberos users are welcomed with respect to whether they
believe its inclusion is appropriate (either now or at some other time).

Thanks,

Dave Gomberg
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The Security Ad Hoc group [of X3T5.5] proposes that the US vote "No" on
this NWI, with the provision that it will change its vote to "Yes" subject
to the condition that specific protocols be included in the scope of work
for one or more authentication schemes, each of which would become one part
of a multi-part standard.  Candidate schemes include:

	1.  The authentication exchange mechanism specified in ISO 9594-8
	    for Directory Authentication.

	2.  The Kerberos authentication mechanism distributed by MIT Project
	    Athena.

	3.  A key distribution mechanism based on, and supporting, procedures
	    in ANSI X9.17, coupled with an appropriate authentication
	    exchange.

It is felt that an ASE for authentication is conceptually necessary, but the
NWI as written provides only incremental "added value" toward that goal.
Some of the funtionality mentioned in the scope of work as justification for
this NWI, in fact, already exists in the OSI Upper Layers.  In particular,
there are already wasys for an "Authentication ASE" to exchange authentication
information at times other than association establishment via direct use of
the Presentation Service.

What is missing are standards specifying abstract syntax definitions for
actual strong authentication mechanisms.  Without examples of such definintions,
it is difficult to pin down whether or not any commonality can be factored out
into a generalized "Authentication ASE".

It is proposed that the scope of work be broadened to include specific
mechanisms.  At least one such mechanism can be readily extracted from the
Directory work so as to be made generally available for use by other OSI
applications.  In addition, other candidate mechanisms have been noted above.

Comment is solicited on the above US ballot response, and on the following
questions:

	1.  Should the scope of work be broadened to "Security ASE" to include
	    other security mechanisms for other services such as access control?
	
	2.  What authentication mechanisms are suitable for inclusion?

	3.  Should SC 27 [new SC on Security Techniques] play any role
	    in producing such standards?