[comp.sys.laptops] Laptop with Isopoint "mouse"

garye@microsoft.UUCP (Gary ERICSON) (03/01/91)

Does anyone know if there are any laptops made with the Isopoint pointing
device built into the keyboard?  This would make using Windows and GUI
software in general actually possible on a laptop (I liked someone's
comment about using your neighbor's lap on an airplane for your mouse).

Gary Ericson - Microsoft - Work Group Apps

P.S. For those who don't know, the Isopoint device is a bar that sits below
the space bar of the keyboard where you can operate it with your thumbs
without lifting your hands from the keys.  You roll the bar back and forth
to get up and down cursor motion, and the bar slides side-to-side to get
left and right cursor motion.  It takes getting used to, but it seems like
a definite win on a laptop.

tparker@bierstadt.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) (03/03/91)

In article <70965@microsoft.UUCP> garye@microsoft.UUCP (Gary ERICSON) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any laptops made with the Isopoint pointing
>device built into the keyboard?  This would make using Windows and GUI
>software in general actually possible on a laptop (I liked someone's
>comment about using your neighbor's lap on an airplane for your mouse).
>
>Gary Ericson - Microsoft - Work Group Apps

Gary,

GRID's GRIDCase 1550sx has an IsoPoint control bar.  It is reviewed in
the March issue of PC Magazine (page 139).  The reviewer said the
IsoPoint worked with "mixed results".

On page 310 it also says that this is the only portable that currenty
uses an IsoPoint, and that the IsoPoint is made by Culver Research (415)
851-1202.

Hope this helps,
Tom

atk@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Alan T. Krantz) (03/03/91)

In article <10450@ncar.ucar.edu> tparker@bierstadt.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) writes:
>In article <70965@microsoft.UUCP> garye@microsoft.UUCP (Gary ERICSON) writes:
=>>Does anyone know if there are any laptops made with the Isopoint pointing
=>>device built into the keyboard?  This would make using Windows and GUI
=>>software in general actually possible on a laptop (I liked someone's
=>>comment about using your neighbor's lap on an airplane for your mouse).
=>>
=>>Gary Ericson - Microsoft - Work Group Apps
=>
=>Gary,
=>

=>On page 310 it also says that this is the only portable that currenty
=>uses an IsoPoint, and that the IsoPoint is made by Culver Research (415)
=>851-1202.
=>

The Feb issue of byte magazine mentioned a second laptop that used the
IsoPoint. I don't have that issue in front of me - and I don't remember
any comments it made on the machine...

atk

hardarso@tlab2.cs.unc.edu (Kari Hardarson) (03/04/91)

	I've seen the Isobar in action on a Grid machine, I loved it.
However, now I have a Zeos which doesn't have a mouse built in... 
Are there any microsized trackballs out there that could be attached
to a laptop, or small enough to fit in a matchbox? Just wondering.
	I have a Genius mouse but I won't be carrying it around with
me.  Seeing how Windows is catching on, I have a feeling this is a 
problem I'm going to have to solve someday. Sure am glad I have a 386
machine, Windows works swell with it. Just wish I'd ordered a memory
upgrade.
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bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Bright) (03/04/91)

In article <70965@microsoft.UUCP> garye@microsoft.UUCP (Gary ERICSON) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any laptops made with the Isopoint pointing
>device built into the keyboard?  This would make using Windows and GUI
>software in general actually possible on a laptop (I liked someone's
>comment about using your neighbor's lap on an airplane for your mouse).

Atari's laptop (the "STacy") replaces the mouse with a small trackball
on the righthand side of the keyboard.  I haven't used one, but from
all reports it works quite well.  Apparently the machine is a big hit
with the professional musician crowd, since like all of the Atari
machines it has built-in midi ports.  Has anyone had any first-hand
experience with one of these critters?  How good is the display?

BBB
-- 
Bob Bright <bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Man  R3T 2N2  (204) 474-9105

tparker@bierstadt.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) (03/04/91)

>Atari's laptop (the "STacy") replaces the mouse with a small trackball
>on the righthand side of the keyboard.  I haven't used one, but from
>all reports it works quite well.  Apparently the machine is a big hit
>with the professional musician crowd, since like all of the Atari
>machines it has built-in midi ports.  Has anyone had any first-hand
>experience with one of these critters?  How good is the display?

I don't have any first-hand experience, but I read an article in the
Feb. issue of Keyboard magazine that generally panned the Stacy.

Oh by the way, the other laptop that uses an isopoint is the Outbound 
Systems Macintosh-compatible, as described on page 225 of the Feb.
issue of Byte.

Tom

mto@gte.com (Tamer Ozsu) (03/07/91)

In article <70965@microsoft.UUCP> garye@microsoft.UUCP (Gary ERICSON) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any laptops made with the Isopoint pointing
>device built into the keyboard?  This would make using Windows and GUI
>software in general actually possible on a laptop (I liked someone's
>comment about using your neighbor's lap on an airplane for your mouse).

I believe some version of a GRID laptop has isopoint installed. The
comments that I have read in some journal some time ago was quite
positive. Unfortunately, the machine is relatively expensive (I can't
remember the exact price).

Outbound, which is a Mac laptop has an isopoint as well. You need to
remove the ROMs from another Mac (plus or SE) to get it going, though.
==Tamer

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pollack@dendrite.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jordan B Pollack) (03/07/91)

I carry a microsoft mouse around with me, and it plugs into
the single serial port of my computer; which means no simultaneious
use of windows and a laserwriter, no simultaneious use of an external
9600 baud modem with either mouse or printer.

I looked around for somebody who interfaces a mouse (or lightpen or
trackball or joystick or isobar:) to the AUX KEYBOARD port of laptops,
but to no avail.

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rubin@arnor.UUCP (Bill Rubin) (03/07/91)

In <2023@borg.cs.unc.edu> hardarso@tlab2.cs.unc.edu (Kari Hardarson) writes:

>      I've seen the Isobar in action on a Grid machine, I loved it.
> However, now I have a Zeos which doesn't have a mouse built in...
> Are there any microsized trackballs out there that could be attached
> to a laptop, or small enough to fit in a matchbox? Just wondering.

I had heard a rumor, and in fact there was supposed to be an announcement
in PC Magazine last issue (the article was removed, but not the pointer
to it elsewhere in the magazine), that Microsoft was planning to come out
with a clip-on trackball for laptops. The person I spoke to at PC Magazine
said they had no idea what happened, just that it was not announced so
they had to pull the article.

I think this is a *really* great idea, and I can hardly wait for it to become
available. Microsoft denies any knowledge of this product. Perhaps the person
who originated this topic, who happened to have an address of microsoft.uucp,
could give us some information.

-- Bill

bob@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Bob F. Breedlove) (03/09/91)

In article <10707@bunny.GTE.COM>, mto@gte.com (Tamer Ozsu) writes:
> 
> I believe some version of a GRID laptop has isopoint installed. The
> comments that I have read in some journal some time ago was quite
> positive. Unfortunately, the machine is relatively expensive (I can't
> remember the exact price).
> 
Just saw the GRiD with ISO point at a Windows show in San Jose
CA.  Not bad once you got used to it.  (I am NOT a big fan of
ANY pointing device or GUI's.)  Did not ask the price.
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zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Michael zeleny) (03/09/91)

In article <70965@microsoft.UUCP> garye@microsoft.UUCP (Gary ERICSON) writes:
>Does anyone know if there are any laptops made with the Isopoint pointing
>device built into the keyboard?  This would make using Windows and GUI
>software in general actually possible on a laptop (I liked someone's
>comment about using your neighbor's lap on an airplane for your mouse).
>
>Gary Ericson - Microsoft - Work Group Apps
>
>P.S. For those who don't know, the Isopoint device is a bar that sits below
>the space bar of the keyboard where you can operate it with your thumbs
>without lifting your hands from the keys.  You roll the bar back and forth
>to get up and down cursor motion, and the bar slides side-to-side to get
>left and right cursor motion.  It takes getting used to, but it seems like
>a definite win on a laptop.

I am using a GRiDCASE 1550sx 386sx laptop equipped wit Isopoint.
Yes, it can be used within the boundaries of a reasonably narrow lap.
The pointing device takes some getting used to (I use a SUN Sparcstation 1
at home and Sun 3 at the university). It is better than using a
character-based interface, though.

Although I've only had it for a little over a month, I think I can say with
some confidence that the machine works as advertised. It is solidly built
and fairly comfortable to use. A bit heavy though.

How about starting a *.grid newsgroup?

Michael Zeleny
zeleny@math.harvard.edu

hseung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) (03/10/91)

In article <10707@bunny.GTE.COM> mto@gte.com (Tamer Ozsu) writes:
....
>Outbound, which is a Mac laptop has an isopoint as well. You need to
>remove the ROMs from another Mac (plus or SE) to get it going, though.
>==Tamer

There are couple of mail-order companies that actually sell the Outbounds
with Apple ROMs installed already... one example is CDA Computer Sales
(no ad intended) which lists the Outbound w/ ROM & 2/40 for $ 3095
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anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) (03/10/91)

In article <38989@netnews.upenn.edu> hseung@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Hyunsuk Seung) writes:
>There are couple of mail-order companies that actually sell the Outbounds
>with Apple ROMs installed already... one example is CDA Computer Sales
>(no ad intended) which lists the Outbound w/ ROM & 2/40 for $ 3095

There is an Outbound dealer that is selling highly discounted Outbound
laptops with the ROMs optionally installed.

He is Todd Nathan (tn505981@longs.lance.colostate.edu.

Disclaimer: I do not benefit from posting this information.
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