bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery (the tame hacker on the North Coast)) (01/24/85)
Chuq: Go for it. Let the flamers destroy their own credibility; push on despite them. The net can't survive its proctors' disappearance (or disillusionment); it IS large enough to survive the flamers who are trying to tear it down. I have a little experience with this; your message sounds like what I went through as a fairwitness on a Communitree (and that was *local*!). LOTS of flames, some of them direct personal insults; and a small core of supportive users. It's notable that the flamers have disappeared since then (the Tree went down about a year ago, as the sysop moved to Columbus). What they never noticed was that I only removed a very few flames that were posted... at the same time as a number of other messages that had expired, since an index which can only hold 321 messages (a miniature i-list) doesn't make for a lot of room. What the flamers DID do was drive the "general public" away from their rabid mouthings, and the Tree never quite recovered. It would have if the user base had been larger -- a problem caused by the fact that the message base was so small (the most common general flame). I should note also that the flames stopped after the flamers realized that all they'd done was make the 'N' key popular over their messages (that 'N' key is ubiquitous!). (And the way to make THAT clear is to ignore them. Totally. I usually try reason first, I'm that kind of person... but after awhile it becomes clear that they aren't capable of reason.) Give them the rope they're screaming for, and they'll happily hang themselves. Despite the flames, I've been running another BBS since the fall of the Communitree, with the same rules and standards... and the only messages I've killed so far were ones I posted pertaining to early bugs in the software, as there's more space on this public access Unix system. (Yes, it's on the very system on which I am typing this letter; tried and true, and hacker-proof -- but with shell access (and "vi" as a message editor) for qualified users.) (Correction: ONE message, about phone phreaking. I killed it for safety's sake. Which will change when I get a chance to put private conferences and membership lists into this thing. I have my personal beliefs... but larger than my feelings about anything else is that for freedom of speech, and the responsibilities it entails.) Of course, running a local BBS is nothing like running an international network... but at least one net user understands. (And is willing to help; anywhere I can lend a hand?) Sincerely, Brandon Allbery -- Brandon Allbery @ decvax!cwruecmp!ncoast!bsa (..ncoast!tdi1!bsa business) 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, Ohio 44131 +1 216 524 1416 (or what have you) Who said you had to be (a) a poor programmer or (b) a security hazard to be a hacker?