[comp.unix.i386] sadp on i386

randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) (01/03/90)

	Has anyone tried sadp on Interactive UNIX?  I can't seem
	to find the magic incantation for the -d parameter.  Tried
	all the /dev/dsk/h* etc.

	Thanks.

	-randy


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joe@junkyard.UUCP (Joseph Sarkes) (01/04/90)

It doesn't work on microport or esix either.

Joseph Sarkes	(junkyard!joe)

dwc@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (Malaclypse the Elder) (01/06/90)

i guess the problem is that as disk controllers got more
intelligent, much of the statistics that were collected
by the kernel couldn't be directly measured.  the result
is the implementers chose not to provide any measurements.

one could provide approximations though.  or do any of the
disk interface specs (st506, esdi, scsi, etc) provide for
obtaining performance measures directly from the controller?
if they do, i could push for getting these measures in.

danny chen
att!hocus!dwc

pcg@aber-cs.UUCP (Piercarlo Grandi) (01/13/90)

In article <7088@cbnewsh.ATT.COM> dwc@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (Malaclypse the Elder) writes:
    
    i guess the problem is that as disk controllers got more
    intelligent, much of the statistics that were collected
    by the kernel couldn't be directly measured.  the result
    is the implementers chose not to provide any measurements.

No. Most discs out there use very simple controllers, and even
SCSI controllers could be profiled easily by using block
numbers.

The real reasons why sadp is not supported are, in order of
importance:

	1) most system administrators would not use it, because
	they are lazy or not competent enough.

	2) adding statiistics collection to a driver is an
	extra job to do; if the customer does not ask for it,
	it will be omitted.

	3) In some cases statistics collection requires a table
	whose size is combinatorial in the number of drives.

Point #3 is easy to obviate if statistics collection can be
disabled at system generation time. Points #1 and #3 are the
really important ones.
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