[net.auto] new Flame topic: door locking

stan@clyde.UUCP (Stan King) (01/31/84)

Can anyone tell me how locking your car doors can make an accident
any safer?  A recent contributor mentioned (and is probably not alone
in the feeling) that it is more difficult to be thrown from a car
with locked doors.

When a door is locked, doesn't that just prevent the door handles from
unlatching the door?  How many collisions jiggle the handles in the right
way so as to open the door?

I will summarize responses if there is demand for that.

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ark@rabbit.UUCP (01/31/84)

The owner's manual for the 1979 Volvo explicitly advises against
locking the door while driving.  They point out that locking the
door may make it much harder for rescue people to get you out should
you be knocked unconscious in an accident.

stanwyck@ihuxr.UUCP (01/31/84)

I don't know how much safer locking doors makes an accident, although my
driver's ed instructor of some years ago assured us all that it helped.
I can assure you, howevr, that locking doors makes driving in some parts of
the South Side of Chicago safer.  Also, the Cabrini Green area, and some othr
sections of the city.  ( :-)  )

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wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (01/31/84)

I don't know if this answers your questions, but I had a 1962
Avanti that had Mercedes "dead bolt" door locks.  The locks
connected directly to the roll bar over the center of the roof.
The windshield was set to pop out if you came to a stop of
some (I don't remember) certain amount of G forces.  It could be
kicked out easily also.  Other features included the engine being mounted
on a track system that shoved the engine under the car in case of a
head-on and the steering column collapsed into the dash so it wouldn't
stick you in the chest.  I have always thought it was perhaps the
safest car on the road.  Oh yeah, they also introduced disk brakes
for the first time on an American built car.  My first try at using
them almost threw me through the windshield.  It was quite a change
from mechanical stomp ons.

The locks on the Avanti were designed to hold the door shut in an
accident.  It seems that in those days, quite a few people were
being terminated by being thrown from the car in accidents.
Studebaker went to Mercedes to get help on their designs.  Bet
you didn't know that Studebaker dealers also sold Mercedes in
those days.

T. C. Wheeler

martin@auvax.UUCP (Don Martin) (02/02/84)

	I've just got to get in on this one!

	Having been an ambulance attendant in a small town that is close to
	a major highway, I've seen my share of MVA's.

	We always carried a small tool shaped somewhat like a mountain
	climbers ice pick.  One good `tap' at a corner of any window other
	than the front and the whole window collapses.

	Also, in most accidents of a serious nature on the highway, the
	frame etc. is bent so badly that doors won't open anyway.

	That said, the argument that locking the doors will ensure that the
	occupants stay in the car because the doors won't open doesn't make
	a lot of sense.  If a person cares enough to lock their door then
	they obviously care enough to do up their seatbelts.  Therefore the
	the reason to lock the doors is to ensure that they stay closed and
	do not allow anything to enter the car if you roll.  It would be
	rather uncomfortable if while you were strapped into your rolling
	car, your door opened and a tree came through.

	Don Martin (auvax!martin)

sanjay@utah-cs.UUCP ( Sanjay) (02/04/84)

   I have the most effective reminder for wearing seatbelts --  the  old
ignition lock that has been mentioned earlier. Its utility far outweighs
the slight inconvenience (e.g. buckling up grocery bags, though I  never
had  to  do  that,  I  just kept them on the floor). It is far easier to
force even slightly reluctant passengers to buckle up if you  tell  them
that  the  car  won't  start unless they buckle up. Only once did I have
anyone idiotic enough to actually pull the seatbelt out of  its  harness
and clip it on BEHIND his back !! Some people will never learn, I guess.

- Sanjay