[comp.unix.i386] 386/ix VP/ix problems

keith@bain3.oz (Keith Brinck) (08/21/90)

Here are a couple of VP/ix problems that I've recently come across.  Both
have been mentioned before in this group, but I don't recall seeing a
response to either.

1. Installing Word Perfect 5.1 anywhere in the UNIX file system causes the
   message "wp.fil not found" (or words to that effect) when attempting to
   run it, despite the fact that wp.fil is correctly situated in the
   current directory.  On the other hand, this message does not appear
   (and WP works fine) if WP is installed either onto the native DOS
   partition or onto C:.  My local ISC supplier says they contacted ISC in
   the US whose response was "It works fine over here ..." - very satisfying.

2. When using MKS vi to edit a file under VP/ix, if the file is decreased
   in size it is not truncated correctly - there is extra garbage at the
   end of the file.  I've seen references to similar behaviour using JOVE.

Does anyone know if there is anyway around either of these problems, or if
one or both are fixed in 2.2.  Currently I'm at 2.0.2 and am not in a
hurry to upgrade (the price in Australia for the upgrade is $A1395.00 - 
Application developer, 1-2 users), but fixes to these problems might help me
change my mind.
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betz@marob.masa.com (Tom Betz) (08/21/90)

Quoth keith@bain3.oz (Keith Brinck) in <831@bain3.oz>:
|Here are a couple of VP/ix problems that I've recently come across.  Both
|have been mentioned before in this group, but I don't recall seeing a
|response to either.
|
|1. Installing Word Perfect 5.1 anywhere in the UNIX file system causes the
|   message "wp.fil not found" (or words to that effect) when attempting to
|   run it, despite the fact that wp.fil is correctly situated in the
|   current directory.  On the other hand, this message does not appear
|   (and WP works fine) if WP is installed either onto the native DOS
|   partition or onto C:.  My local ISC supplier says they contacted ISC in
|   the US whose response was "It works fine over here ..." - very satisfying.

If you have some RAM to spare (one or two MB) and an EMS.SYS that
works with your VP/ix, put

device=ems.sys MD Snnn

into your CONFIG.SYS, where nnn is the number of RAM blocks
you want to set up for EMS.  (I have 64 blocks set up, or 1024K;
I believe that you may use up to 2 MB of RAM)

Then get hold of a good EMS RAM disk (I use PC Magazine's
XPANDISK, freeware and very good) and install it in your EMS
space.  (Your VDISK.SYS will probably NOT work for this
purpose...  I know mine didn't.)

Then set up a batch file (or a few lines in your AUTOEXEC.BAT)
that puts the required minimum of files (WP.FIL, WP.SET, WP.DRS,
WP{WP}.SET, WPHELP.FIL, and WPHELP2.FIL for our 5.0 setup) into
the root directory of your RAM disk.  Then set up your WP batch
file to start up WP against the RAM drive, instead of the H: or
Z: or other network drives.  You'll probably also want it to copy
WP{WP}.SET back to wherever you keep it after you leave WP, so
any changes you have made to the configuration during a session 
will be kept.  I keep my files in a PKZIP archive, so as to take
up a minimum of disk space.

You'll have to edit your configuration with Shift-F1 so WP can
find the auxiliary files, but unless things have changed horribly 
between 5.0 and 5.1, this should work for you.

It's the only way I was able to get 5.0 to work satisfactorily  
at all on our XENIX system's VP/ix.

I'll be happy to mail you a uuencoded copy of the XPANDISK RAM
disk.  It's not very large.


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john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) (08/22/90)

In article <831@bain3.oz> keith@bain3.oz (Keith Brinck) writes:
>1. Installing Word Perfect 5.1 anywhere in the UNIX file system causes the
>   message "wp.fil not found" (or words to that effect) when attempting to
>   run it, despite the fact that wp.fil is correctly situated in the
>   current directory.

There's a lengthy article on installing WordPerfect 5.x under VP/ix
in the June 1990 Computer Shopper.  It appears there is no way to get
it running other than by installing it on a real DOS partition, or on
the C: "drive."  It is blamed on a bug in the redirector.
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karl@naitc.uucp (Karl Denninger) (08/22/90)

In article <2038@jwt.UUCP> john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
>In article <831@bain3.oz> keith@bain3.oz (Keith Brinck) writes:
>>1. Installing Word Perfect 5.1 anywhere in the UNIX file system causes the
>>   message "wp.fil not found" (or words to that effect) when attempting to
>>   run it, despite the fact that wp.fil is correctly situated in the
>>   current directory.
>
>There's a lengthy article on installing WordPerfect 5.x under VP/ix
>in the June 1990 Computer Shopper.  It appears there is no way to get
>it running other than by installing it on a real DOS partition, or on
>the C: "drive."  It is blamed on a bug in the redirector.

ISC claims that's fixed in the new VP/IX that comes with 2.2, but I haven't
verified it (yet).  Sometime soon I'm sure that I'll get around to it.

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chandler@beagle.uucp (Jim Chandler) (08/24/90)

In article <831@bain3.oz>, keith@bain3.oz (Keith Brinck) writes:
> 1. Installing Word Perfect 5.1 anywhere in the UNIX file system causes the
>    message "wp.fil not found" (or words to that effect) when attempting to
>    run it, despite the fact that wp.fil is correctly situated in the
>    current directory.  On the other hand, this message does not appear
>    (and WP works fine) if WP is installed either onto the native DOS
>    partition or onto C:.  My local ISC supplier says they contacted ISC in
>    the US whose response was "It works fine over here ..." - very satisfying.
> 
In your autoexec.bat file include the line:

dosmount d:/usr/bin/wp51 (or wherever you want WP to go)

When you run vpix, the D: is the directory /usr/bin/wp51.  Now install WP 5.1
to the D: drive and the installation with put it in /usr/bin/wp51.  Now to
run WP just go to the D: drive and run it.  It works great!!

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heiser@tdw201.ed.ray.com (08/24/90)

In article <2038@jwt.UUCP> john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
>
>There's a lengthy article on installing WordPerfect 5.x under VP/ix
>in the June 1990 Computer Shopper.  It appears there is no way to get
>it running other than by installing it on a real DOS partition, or on
>the C: "drive."  It is blamed on a bug in the redirector.

Eeeeek!  This is BAD news!  What do those of us who are running
ESIX do?  (We can't access a "real" dos partition from VP/ix).
Actually, I guess i could install it on the C: drive. 

I'm wondering if the version of VP/ix (1.2?) that I have at home
is like the one at work on the Sun/386i's, where the C: drive
"grows" as needed to accomodate new stuff...

Bill


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larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) (08/26/90)

heiser@tdw201.ed.ray.com writes:

>I'm wondering if the version of VP/ix (1.2?) that I have at home
>is like the one at work on the Sun/386i's, where the C: drive
>"grows" as needed to accomodate new stuff...

Yes - but I haven't found a way to decrease the size of the
C drive after removing files --

I ended up getting WP for Unix.

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john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) (08/26/90)

In article <205@beagle.uucp> chandler@beagle.uucp (Jim Chandler) writes:
>In your autoexec.bat file include the line:
>dosmount d:/usr/bin/wp51 (or wherever you want WP to go)
>When you run vpix, the D: is the directory /usr/bin/wp51.  Now install WP 5.1
>to the D: drive and the installation with put it in /usr/bin/wp51.

I tried this back a month or so ago when I was trying to get 5.1
running under VP/ix 1.1 on ESIX D (although I used drive W: rather
than D:).  It didn't work.  What version of VP/ix does this work on?
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chandler@beagle.uucp (Jim Chandler) (08/26/90)

In article <2049@jwt.UUCP>, john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples) writes:
> In article <205@beagle.uucp> chandler@beagle.uucp (Jim Chandler) writes:
> than D:).  It didn't work.  What version of VP/ix does this work on?
> -- 
> John W. Temples -- john@jwt.UUCP (uunet!jwt!john)

This works under VPix 1.2 and ESIX Rev. D.

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tim@comcon.UUCP (Tim Brown) (08/27/90)

In article <831@bain3.oz>, keith@bain3.oz (Keith Brinck) writes:
> 
> 1. Installing Word Perfect 5.1 anywhere in the UNIX file system causes the
>    message "wp.fil not found" (or words to that effect) when attempting to
>    run it, despite the fact that wp.fil is correctly situated in the
>    current directory.  On the other hand, this message does not appear
>    (and WP works fine) if WP is installed either onto the native DOS
>    partition or onto C:.  My local ISC supplier says they contacted ISC in
>    the US whose response was "It works fine over here ..." - very satisfying.

I have *never* got WP5* to work on the unix drive directly.  It must
be installed on C: (Psuedo) or DOS partition.  NOTE: it only need be
installed there not used there, simply install on a psuedo drive like
C: and PATH it in.  It works fine like that.












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tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) (08/27/90)

In article <1990Aug25.233211.10401@nstar.uucp> larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes:
>heiser@tdw201.ed.ray.com writes:
>>I'm wondering if the version of VP/ix (1.2?) that I have at home
>>is like the one at work on the Sun/386i's, where the C: drive
>>"grows" as needed to accomodate new stuff...
>
>Yes - but I haven't found a way to decrease the size of the
>C drive after removing files --

Jeez, I just posted this, doesn't anyone read the articles?

 1. Create a new pseudo-volume by copying 'cdisk' to something like 'NEWD:'.

 2. Edit your 'vpix.cnf' to point C: to your new D pseudo-volume, and D: to
your old one.

 3. Boot Simul-Task with this configuration -- if your old D: was not
bootable, you may need to boot from floppy with 'dos -b'.

 4. Use XCOPY to copy all the files from D: to C:.

 5. Quit DOS and rename NEWD: to D:, deleting the old one.

 6. Re-edit your 'vpix.cnf' to restore the settings for C: and D:.

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mars@ixos.UUCP (mars) (08/29/90)

Now i remember that there was an article on exactly that subject in the May,
June or July issue of 'Computer Shopper'. Some guy described how he got WP
5.1 running under VP/ix.

Martin Stein

heiser@tdw201.ed.ray.com (08/29/90)

In article <1990Aug25.233211.10401@nstar.uucp> larry@nstar.uucp (Larry Snyder) writes:
>
>Yes - but I haven't found a way to decrease the size of the
>C drive after removing files --
>

On the VP/ix implementation on the Sun/386i, you can do a dos -update ...
but this builds a whole C: drive, destroying anything that's on the
old one.

>I ended up getting WP for Unix.
I like my dos version of WP, so I will do whatever I can to make it work 
under VP/ix.

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