akcs.millera@ddsw1.MCS.COM (alan miller) (05/30/91)
hi folks, this seems like the appropriate place for this, or as close as i'll get anyway.... i'm planning on getting a 386 (DX, probably 25MHz) to run Unix or Xenix, and i've got a couple of questions that i hope i can get advice on. 1) Are there suggestions on hardware? i'm looking at mail-order 386/25 machines, at least 2MB, preferably 4, RAM Cache if i can afford it, color VGA, 50MB or more (probably 80) hard disk, and either dual floppies or a 3.5" drive. i'm pretty much operating out of PC Magazine, but they don't tend to mention Unix all that much. Is there anything i should avoid like the plague? Is there anything i should be specifically looking for? I have a list of choices, but the PC world is somewhat foreign to me--i'm used to BSD and SunView on a Sun 3/50 LAN at school. 2) Once i have a system and have *nix running on it, is there a way to boot *ahem, sorry 'bout this...* DOS if i need to, or should i just stick to opening a DOS shell? The reason for asking is that just about any system i get will have Windows and a mouse bundled, and i can get Word and PowerPoint quite inexpensively, as opposed to high prices for *nix versions of similar packages. If i can't do it i'll try to get TeX or learn troff, and i'll still use TeX most of the time, but occasionally it might be nice to use a WYSIWYG. and i apologize in advance for the uproar this'un's gonna cause, but 3) What kind of Unix, Xenix, or variant should i look at? this may actually have to wait for a while after i get the machine itself, since money is not something i'm going to have much of after this. On the source code side there's Minix, which i know a bit about from an operating systems and hardware class, but everything i've seen discussed here and elsewhere makes me question the wisdom of that. What i've heard of Coherent didn't strike me as promising, and i know basically nothing about SCO or any of the others available. oh, and just to be a pest, what's the best place to look for more info on Usenet and news? My school system wasn't connected to anything with any sort of reliability. Thanks much, flames and suggestions in e-mail please, and should i post a summary of responses if any? ajm (Alan Miller) akcs.millera on ddsw1 bitnet: millera @ grin1 "The Universe is laughing at you behind your back." --Deteriorata
andyc@bucky.intel.com (Andy Crump) (05/30/91)
>>>>> On 30 May 91 06:00:09 GMT, akcs.millera@ddsw1.MCS.COM (alan miller) said:
alan> hi folks, this seems like the appropriate place for this, or as close as
alan> i'll get anyway....
alan> i'm planning on getting a 386 (DX, probably 25MHz) to run Unix or Xenix,
alan> and i've got a couple of questions that i hope i can get advice on.
alan> 1) Are there suggestions on hardware? i'm looking at mail-order 386/25
alan> machines, at least 2MB, preferably 4, RAM Cache if i can afford it,
alan> color VGA, 50MB or more (probably 80) hard disk, and either dual
alan> floppies or a 3.5" drive. i'm pretty much operating out of PC
alan> Magazine, but they don't tend to mention Unix all that much. Is
alan> there anything i should avoid like the plague? Is there anything i
alan> should be specifically looking for? I have a list of choices, but
alan> the PC world is somewhat foreign to me--i'm used to BSD and SunView
alan> on a Sun 3/50 LAN at school.
If you are going to run UNIX and in particular SVR4, you will need
more than 50MB disk. A better size would be 140MB or bigger. 4MB of
memory is minimal for UNIX with X Windows, 8MB is better. If you run
SCO UNIX 3.2, you should be okay with the system you have spec'ed out
here. Always get as big of a disk as you can, you will use it if you
are a packrat like me.
alan> 2) Once i have a system and have *nix running on it, is there a way to
alan> boot *ahem, sorry 'bout this...* DOS if i need to, or should i just
alan> stick to opening a DOS shell? The reason for asking is that just
alan> about any system i get will have Windows and a mouse bundled, and i
alan> can get Word and PowerPoint quite inexpensively, as opposed to high
alan> prices for *nix versions of similar packages. If i can't do it i'll
alan> try to get TeX or learn troff, and i'll still use TeX most of the time,
alan> but occasionally it might be nice to use a WYSIWYG.
As far as running DOS AND UNIX together, there are two packages that
let you do that under UNIX. MERGE from Locus Computing and VP/IX from
Interactive System Corporation (also a distributor of UNIX). VP/IX is
well integrated into ISC's UNIX 3.2 product. We have even been able
to run Windows 3.0 under VP/IX.
alan> and i apologize in advance for the uproar this'un's gonna cause, but
alan> 3) What kind of Unix, Xenix, or variant should i look at? this may
alan> actually have to wait for a while after i get the machine itself,
alan> since money is not something i'm going to have much of after this.
alan> On the source code side there's Minix, which i know a bit about from
alan> an operating systems and hardware class, but everything i've seen
alan> discussed here and elsewhere makes me question the wisdom of that.
alan> What i've heard of Coherent didn't strike me as promising, and i
alan> know basically nothing about SCO or any of the others available.
Either Interactive Unix (ISC) or SCO Unix are workable for your
applications. SCO has the largest application base, but ISC has a
better integration of DOS and UNIX. But you can run MERGE on SCO.
I hope that helps....
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-- Andy Crump
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not representive of Intel Corportation.herpst@kims.kodak.com (05/30/91)
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tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Tim) (05/31/91)
In article <ANDYC.91May30081958@bucky.intel.com> andyc@bucky.intel.com (Andy Crump) writes: >>>>>> On 30 May 91 06:00:09 GMT, akcs.millera@ddsw1.MCS.COM (alan miller) said: > > >If you are going to run UNIX and in particular SVR4, you will need >more than 50MB disk. A better size would be 140MB or bigger. 4MB of >memory is minimal for UNIX with X Windows, 8MB is better. If you run >SCO UNIX 3.2, you should be okay with the system you have spec'ed out >here. Always get as big of a disk as you can, you will use it if you >are a packrat like me. Agreed > >alan> 2) Once i have a system and have *nix running on it, is there a way to >alan> boot *ahem, sorry 'bout this...* DOS if i need to, or should i just > >As far as running DOS AND UNIX together, there are two packages that >let you do that under UNIX. MERGE from Locus Computing and VP/IX from >Interactive System Corporation (also a distributor of UNIX). VP/IX is >well integrated into ISC's UNIX 3.2 product. We have even been able >to run Windows 3.0 under VP/IX. You can have both DOS and unix partitions on the same hard disk, and boot from either; (I think this is the answer Alan was looking for). I've sucessfully booted DOS as partition #2 (i.e. not starting at cylinder 0) with both SCO and Esix; I'm told it doesn't work that way with ISC, DOS must start at cylinder 0, but I've not verified this. I have a program which (i think!) allows you to decide what partition to boot from when you power up. That's how I understoodthe explanation given with the program, never installed it. If you want mode info, e-mail me. > >I hope that helps.... >-- > > -- Andy Crump > > ...!tektronix!reed!littlei!andyc | andyc@littlei.intel.com > ...!uunet!littlei!andyc | andyc@littlei.uu.net > >Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are my own and > not representive of Intel Corportation. Tim tjreynol@du.edu