mcdaniel@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu (Tim McDaniel) (06/07/89)
From: mcdaniel@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu (Tim McDaniel)
[1]
I've seen reports about the "38th Army", "27th Army", et cetera, being
in the Beijing area. How do I find out more about these units? For
example, are they infantry, mechanized infantry, or armor units? What
sort of equipment do they have? What is the structure of a Chinese
"Army": how many soldiers (combat and support)? How many corps and/or
divisions? What kind of training do Chinese Army troops have? How
long do they serve, on average? et cetera
I'd like to look up the answers myself (rather than bother the net)
but I don't know where to search. Should I just look in the card
catalog under "Jane's"?
[2]
[Bill: Call this topic "irregular troops" or "urban combat", and it'll
fit under the sci.military charter. 8-) ] What can urban civilians do
to attack troops, given the "usual" equipment in foreign cities (i.e.
guns are not usually available)? For example, I've heard that large
rocks or cement blocks can be used to detrack tanks, which then are
more vulnerable if infantry is absent. Molotov cocktails have been
used to some good effect in Beijing. What other things can be done?
Again, what is a good sourcebook? Should I just read "The Anarchist's
Cookbook"? 8-)
[3]
[Bill: I know this is stretching things much further -- pretty please
with sugar on top? Call it "guerrilla warfare" or "civilian
resistance"? 8-) ] How can I find out "how to be a dissident"? How
do you organize an underground organization without getting arrested?
How do you set up an information net? How did the French resistance
work? et cetera. I'm sure there are a thousand crucial details, but
what are they?
[mod.note: I thought about these two topics, and I really can't see
much wrong with them, so long as the discussion remains academic.
- Bill ]
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mcdaniel%uicsrd@{uxc.cso.uiuc.edu,uiuc.csnet}welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) (06/09/89)
From: welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty)
In article <7200@cbnews.ATT.COM>, Tim McDaniel writes:
.. a bunch of questions, one or two of which i can answer ...
* What is the structure of a Chinese
*"Army": how many soldiers (combat and support)? How many corps and/or
*divisions?
a Chinese Army is essentially equivalent to a US Corp.
*[Bill: Call this topic "irregular troops" or "urban combat", and it'll
*fit under the sci.military charter. 8-) ] What can urban civilians do
*to attack troops, given the "usual" equipment in foreign cities (i.e.
*guns are not usually available)? For example, I've heard that large
*rocks or cement blocks can be used to detrack tanks, which then are
*more vulnerable if infantry is absent. Molotov cocktails have been
*used to some good effect in Beijing. What other things can be done?
*Again, what is a good sourcebook? Should I just read "The Anarchist's
*Cookbook"? 8-)
i'm sure anything you want want to know is in TAC.
pipe bombs and a napalm equivalent are both easy
to make with relatively common materials; there
are lots of other nasty tricks you can play without
expensive military hardware. i'm certainly not going
to post any gory construction details to the net, for
reasons that should be quite obvious. if you have
a reasonably active imagination, you can `cook' more up
yourself.
richard
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``but officer, i was only speeding so i'd get home before i ran out of gas''jp@doc.imperial.ac.uk (John Precedo) (06/14/89)
From: John Precedo <jp@doc.imperial.ac.uk> I once heard a rumour and checked it out in a book (can't remember which) that in Hungary in '68, they found that a Molotov cocktail to the engine exhaust of Russian tanks would ignite the exhaust fumes after about 10-40(?) seconds, and disable it. Sorry to be so vague, but it's all from memory - I'll try and check it out over the weekend. -John
fiddler@Sun.COM (Steve Hix) (06/20/89)
From: fiddler@Sun.COM (Steve Hix) In article <7453@cbnews.ATT.COM>, jp@doc.imperial.ac.uk (John Precedo) writes: > > From: John Precedo <jp@doc.imperial.ac.uk> > > I once heard a rumour and checked it out in a book (can't remember which) > that in Hungary in '68, they found that a Molotov cocktail to the > engine exhaust of Russian tanks would ignite the exhaust fumes after about > 10-40(?) seconds, and disable it. That should be either Hungary in '56 or Prague in '68, shouldn't it? In Budapest in 1956, the locals were having poor success in taking out tanks with Molotov cocktails. One day a big guy showed up and mentioned that they ought to make the cloth fuses about so much longer. Tank losses went up noticable (trucks and armored cars had stayed out of the neighborhood for a while before this). The fellow turned out to be Pal Maleter, an Hungarian officer (General?) who had been trained in urban anti-tank tactics by his fraternal socialist friends in Moscow a couple of years before.