arf@chinet.chi.il.us (Jack Schmidling) (07/20/89)
From: arf@chinet.chi.il.us (Jack Schmidling)
John Ralls says:
>As for finding nukes, that's easy. Warheads aren't
shielded because of the weight, so you just point a
radiation detector at it.
ARF says:
I often get burned when I confront experts but that is a
rather outrageous statement if taken at face value.
If a warhead is not shielded, wouldn't it represent a
hazzard for personnel envolved in their handling, storage
training etc?
I for one, would be very interested in more information on
the subject.
The Amateur Radio Forum (arf)
nak@cbnews.ATT.COM (Neil A. Kirby) (07/21/89)
From: nak@cbnews.ATT.COM (Neil A. Kirby) >ARF says: > >I often get burned when I confront experts but that is a >rather outrageous statement if taken at face value. > >If a warhead is not shielded, wouldn't it represent a >hazzard for personnel envolved in their handling, storage >training etc? It's a question of how sensitive the instrument is compared to how much radioactive output is dangerous. For some perspective on the matter: when eqipped with the right instruments, you can locate Fermilab (near Chicago) without knowing quite where it is. Fermilab is not a dangerous place to work but sensitive instruments can find it. The same analogy works for nuke warheads. Neil Kirby ...cbsck!nak
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (07/21/89)
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >If a warhead is not shielded, wouldn't it represent a >hazzard for personnel envolved in their handling, storage >training etc? Sigh. Warheads are not reactors. There is a very large difference between the amount of radiation that modern detectors can spot and the amount needed to present a significant hazard to personnel. You probably wouldn't want to spend ten years sleeping in the same room with them if you could avoid it, but the odds that normal occupational exposure would harm you are slim. Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (07/21/89)
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >If a warhead is not shielded, wouldn't it represent a >hazzard for personnel envolved in their handling, storage >training etc? Sigh. Warheads are not reactors. There is a very large difference between the amount of radiation that modern detectors can spot and the amount needed to present a significant hazard to personnel. You probably wouldn't want to spend ten years sleeping in the same room with them if you could avoid it, but the odds that normal occupational exposure would harm you are slim. Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu #! rnews 1217 Path: teemc!ka3ovk!wb3ffv!aplcen!unmvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!hope.its.rpi.edu!hydrox From: hydrox@itsgw.rpi.edu (Michael Newsgroups: comp.sys.tandy Subject: Re: A new Tandy Laptop? Message-ID: <6150@rpi.edu> Date: 21 Jul 89 04:47:46 GMT References: <1357@manta.cme.nbs.gov> <3384@csd4.milw.wisc.edu> Sender: usenet@rpi.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Lines: 16 Summary:Questions on Tandy 1Sender:hydrox@hope.its.rpi.edu Keywords:1400LT Hi there. I am new to the net and I'm looking for some information. I recently purchased a Tandy 1400LT. I am trying to get some communication programs to work with it but am not having any success. Does anyone out there in Netland happen to own one of these and am willing to swap some information on what will and won't work on it? Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Who said life was fair.hydrox@hope.its.rpi.edu Bitnet:F7TZ@RPITSMT,=#WMichael Hendrix #! rnews 631 Path: teemc!ka3ovk!wb3ffv!aplcen!unmvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!yale!zador-anthony From: zador-anthony@CS.YALE.EDU (anthony zador) Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted Subject: Fortran --> C Translator Summary: How Can I find one? Message-ID: <67093@yale-celray.yale.UUCP> Date: 21 Jul 89 04:13:36 GMT Sender: root@yale.UUCP Reply-To: zador-anthony@CS.YOrganization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT 06520-215 I was wondering if there is a reliable fortran to C translator, and if so where. Either PD or not-incredibly-expensive commercial. Thanks, Tony Zador #! rnews 1424 Path: teemc!ka3ovk!wb3ffv!aplcen!unmvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cica!iuvax!rutgers!cbmvax!vu-vlsi!swatsun!jackiw From: jackiw@cs.swarthmore.edu (Nick Jackiw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Re: ResEdit1.3dDate: 20 Jul 89 20:10:56 GMT References: <2801@murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au> <239@6sigma.UUCP> Reply-To: jackiw@carthage.UUCP (Nick Jackiw) Organization: Visual Geometry Project, Swarthmore College, PA Lines: 20 In article <239@6sigma.UUCP> blm@6sigma.UUCP (Brian Matthews) writes: > While we're talking about ResEdit, I have a question for everybody. How > many think ResEdit should just use SF{PutFile, GetFile} like everybody > else? > I do, and here's why: [Many good reasons deleted] > Brian L. Matthews Six Sigma Right on! I'm usually connected to my campus' several massive Vax file servers by AlisaShare. Run ResEdit and even on my 20 seconds (_after_ having loaded) to scan all those remote, read-only volumes and give me their unwanted contents. On the other hand, it's nice to have a bit of diversity. -- _ _|\____ Nick Jackiw | Visual Geometry Project | Math Department / /_/ O> \ ------------+-------------------------+ Swarthmore College | O> | 215-328-8225| jackiw@cs.swarthmore.edu| Swarthmore PA 190 \_Guernica_/ ------------+-------------------------+ USA #! rnews 1392 Path: teemc!ka3ovk!wb3ffv!aplcen!unmvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cica!iuvax!rutgers!cbmvax!grr From: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: UUCP through terminal server under ULTRIDate: 20 Jul 89 23:44:20 GMT References: <1488@ndmath.UUCP> Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 19 Xref: teemc comp.unix.ultrix:1024 comp.sys.dec:1148 In article <1488@ndmath.UUCP> milo@ndmath.UUCP (Greg Corson) writes: > On a DEC ultrix computer, either a DECstation (mips based) or > VAX (CVAX based) is it possible to run UUCP both dial in and > dial out through a serial port on a DEC terminal server? It is definitely possible to do incoming uucp thru a terminal server, or at least it was until 3.0 somehow or other screwed up raw mode handling in Land retries. Outgoing is more problematical, I would say that you should be able to do it with the new features for associating LLaround to implementing it yet. -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@uunet.uu.net Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite) #! rnews 2815 Path: teemc!ka3ovk!wb3ffv!aplcen!unmvax!deimos.cis.ksu.edu!rutgers!cbmvax!grr From: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix Subject: Re: Dropping DSR under 3.0 Message-ID: <7382@cbmvax.UUCP> Date: 21 Jul 89 00:03:41 GMT References: <2249@husc6.harvard.edu> Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins) Distribution: na Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 48 In article <2249@husc6.harvard.edu> kovar@popvax.harvard.edu (David C. Kovar) writes: > > We've upgraded one 8200 to version 3.0 and our Emulex board stopped > dropping the DSR lines to our Micom, leaving them hanging 'til they > time out. A DEC consultant claims that 3.0 checks to see if the card > is a DEC card. If not, it doesn't do anything with DSR. Has anyone > else experienced this and, if so, do you have any suggested fixes > for it? TI Which emulex card, and what is it emulating? The 3.0 release broke all DSR support in a way that hasn't been clearly explained. A large set of patches available on the 3.0 patch tape from the support center is supposed to fix what broke for the supported drivers. It didn't patch the unsupported DH11 driver, and I am having DSR/DTR type problems with modems on the DH11. An explict check for a "DEC" board seems fairly unlikely, however it is possible they have done something that depends on both CD and DSR and your emulation only supports CD, with DSR always asserted, then it may break whatever rituals DEC has implemented. Note that each of the drivers has a global (patchable) variable that has some effect on the handling of DSR. If your Emulex board emulates a supported device, then the first step would be to either obtain/install the patch tape or install the 3.1 upgrade. If the emulated device is unsupported, maybe it's fixed in 3.1 or patching the global variable will help. Disclaimer: This is largely theoretical, but should give you a more productive starting point than DEC consultants assertions. Example: /sys/data/dhu_data.c:int dhudsr = 0; /* A "0" here means ignore DSR */ /sys/data/dhu_data.c:int dhudsr = 1; /* A "1" here means drop line if DSR drops */ /sys/data/dmb_data.c:int dmbdsr = 0; /* A "0" here means ignore DSR */ /sys/data/dmb_data.c:int dmbdsr = 1; /* A "1" here means follow DS52 DSR signals */ /sys/data/dmf_data.c:int dmfdsr = 0; /* "1" = follow DECSTD52, 0 = no DS52 */ /sys/data/dmf_data.c:int dmfdsr = 1; /* "1" = follow DECSTD52, 0 = no DS52 */ /sys/data/dmz_data.c:int dmzdsr = 0; /* "0"=Don't follow DECSTD52 */ /sys/data/dmz_data.c:int dmzdsr = 1; /* "1"=Do follow DECSTD52 */ -- George Robbins - now working for, uucp: {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr but no way officially representing arpa: cbmvax!grr@uunet.uu.net Commodore, Engineering Department fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite) #! rnews 12616 Path: teemc!ka3ovk!wb3ffv!aplcen!unmvax!ncar!ames!uhccux!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!news From: tony@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.sys.mac,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.appletalk Subject: Summary: Backup via network Keywords: Backup Network Message-ID: <1989Jul21.014826.19864@comp.vuw.ac.nz> Date: 21 Jul 89 01:48:26 GMT Reply-To: tony@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Tony Martindale) Organization: C.S.C., Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand Lines: 294 Xref: teemc comp.dcom.lans:2383 comp.sys.mac:25514 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:5695 comp.protocols.appletalk:2060 BACKUP VIA NETWORK, ============================================= Original Message: ---------------- We have recently invested in a campus wide network. At the moment the network is Ethernet running on optical fibre, in the future we hope to upgrade this to FDDI. One of the services we hope to offer users of the network is remote backup of their personal computers, file-servers, departmental computers etc, onto our central machine(s) with disk farm(s) attatched. *Question*: Is there any software out in netland that exists, or is being developed that does this sort of thing? Software using TCP/IP would be of the most interest to us, however info. on any software would be appreciated. If there is no software out there at all we are considering developing the software. *Questions*: If we were to develop our own software, what functions, apart from full and partial backup/restore, would people like to see in such a system? Are there other people/organisations, out there, who would be interested in a backup system like this? If we were to "roll our own" the intitial environment would probably be a Unix server backing up, Macs on appletalk via Kinetics/Multigate, IBM PCW clones and Unix workstations on Ethernet. Software that we k
sfn20715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Norton) (07/22/89)
From: Steve Norton <sfn20715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
/* Written 8:34 pm Jul 19, 1989 by arf@chinet.chi.il.us in uxa.cso.uiuc.edu:sci.military */
/* ---------- "Shielding on nukes" ---------- */
If a warhead is not shielded, wouldn't it represent a
hazzard for personnel envolved in their handling, storage
training etc?
I for one, would be very interested in more information on
the subject.
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While researching a debate on the SDI, I came across some interesting things
about the reentry vehicles used by warheads. Apparently, the plutonium
used to initiate the fusion reaction slowly decays, releasing alpha particles
(is this right? i dont remember) but they are stopped by the thin metal
coating of the warhead. No radiation is released by the warheads become
"hot to the touch", i.e. 100+ deg F. {(This is incidentally, why warheads
are so easy to detect -- the near vacuum of low earth orbit is usuall
several hundred degrees below zero. Any IR detector that misses a warhead
would have to be really screwed up...)alton@wpi.wpi.edu (Alton J Reich) (07/27/89)
From: alton@wpi.wpi.edu (Alton J Reich) >From: nak@cbnews.ATT.COM (Neil A. Kirby) >>ARF says: >> >>I often get burned when I confront experts but that is a >>rather outrageous statement if taken at face value. >> >>If a warhead is not shielded, wouldn't it represent a >>hazzard for personnel envolved in their handling, storage >>training etc? Enriched Uranium such as in bombs and reactor fuel undergoes radioactive decay just like other naturally occuring elements (the same goes for plutonium, even though it isn't natural). Once in a while uranium undergoes spontaneous fission, this is rare. Most of the radiation emmited from uranium is in the form of alpha or betta particles. These particles have a short range, for example: Energetic alphas can be shielded with a piece of paper. Most bettas can be shielded with a piece of heavy duty aluminium foil. A thin sheet of lead will stop anything comming from that warhead except for the occational neutron. Alton ************************************************************** N ever I have seen all that has been, * Alton J. Reich * U nderestimate And yet humanity fascinates me still, * alton@wpi.bitnet * K inetic I have no face, no name, I the Observer. * alton.wpi.wpi.edu * E nergy