steele@grove.crsfld.com (10/05/89)
From: <steele@grove.crsfld.com> In regards an earlier discussion on passive sonar and how you might get range data from it: Yes, it can be done. Yes, it is done as we speak (so to speak). The technique involves getting a time delta on the same sound wave at different places, and a pair of angles towards the source. The accuracy of this depends on the distance between the sensors, among other things. If you have a series of sensors along the hull of a big sub, (say, a Seawolf maybe...) and you know the distance between them (really accurately), and you know the angle to the source (your primary sonar suite provides this to you), you now can figure the curvature of the sound wave, and thus arrive at a working distance. The Navy stole the idea (so I'm informed) from carnivorous fish, who have been doing it for few millions of years. The system that utilizes this is (I believe) the BQS-5 and is an intregal part of the Seawolf's tactical systems. Certain sci.mil posters at official sounding places, were probably not aware this information is now public knowledge. They may have been forced to conveniently not mention it when they happened to be (rightly) refuting other proposed schemes posted here. As I have seen various descriptions in several industry periodicals, and in at least one wargame update, I must conclude that it not classified any longer. I would think that while the initial calculation would be in the right ballpark, it could not be extremely accurate. After all, every water molecule between you and the source gets to add it's two cents to the data. BUT: do this calculation to several distinctive sounds or a transient dataset, and it firms up REAL fast. Especially when your doing this a few dozen times a second. The Navy must have tested this under a variety of conditions, and had pretty fair results to have included it in the base design of a complicated platform like the Seawolf. -Tamooj +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |. . ___ __ |Michael Steele | |.+ + /___\_________/__\_______________ |NPS R&D Group | |::::+|____ ____ | \ |Crosfield Systems | |::::+|____________________________|___/ |670 N. Commercial Str | |.. +.\___/ \__/ |Manchester, NH 03101 | |.........................................|(603)623-3330 | |............H A R P O O N ...............+-----------------------+ |.means never having to say you're sorry!.|steele@kirov.crsfld.com| +-----------------------------------------+-----------------------+