[sci.military] Blackbirds, etc

G_AHRENDT@uunet.uu.net (02/25/90)

From: munnari!vaxa.uwa.OZ.AU!G_AHRENDT@uunet.uu.net
>The YF-12C was an SR-71A (64-17951). It was "detuned" for NASA use. Since
>it was an SR-71A it did not have a dual cockpit, I doubt it was used as a
>trainer.
 
Incorrect, the YF-12C was 60-6937, it's fuselage was lengthened to provide for 
a dual canopy not cockpit and extra fuel and it served as the prototype for the 
SR-71.

>There was only one SR-71A that was converted to SR-71B specifications. It
>was 64-17956. The only other dual cockpit aircraft in the family were an A-
>12 (60-6927), and an SR-71C (64-17981) which was constructed from parts of
>a YF-12A (60-6934).

Also incorrect, two SR-71A's were converted to SR-71B's : 64-17956 & 64-17951. 
You are also incorrect in saying that 60-6927 was a A-12 as it was an A-11. 
And again in saying that the SR-71C was constructed from the original YF-12A 
60-6934, as it was a converted and electronically updated SR-71A 64-17981.
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>I have seen photos of the YF-12A carrying one of the drone  look-alikes between
>its canted-in verticals, and it definitely had a bare-metal/black  paint scheme
>on it.

These were A-11's not YF-12A's, two of which were capable of carrying a GTD-21 
Oxcart drone aircraft powered by a Marquardt ramjet. 40ft*17ft, 38 constructed 
between 64-69, they look similar to the J-58 engine pods. The drone could carry 
either reconnaissance sensors or a nuclear weapon. After a collision incident, 
the ramjet was replaced with a rocket booster and transferred to B-52's in 
Project Tagboard over SE Asia.

Note that the Blackbird's are painted in a special high-emissivity dark blue 
paint that looks black.
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>The next time any of you YF-12 fans are near the Dayton, Ohio area,
>the Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in nearby
>Fairborn has a YF-12 on display. Rumor has it that they will receive
>one of the decommissioned SR-71s as well. The only remaining XB-70 
>is parked nearby. If you're into aircraft, this is one "must-see"
>place.

When was the Valkyrie moved from the Strategic Aerospace Museum in Belevue 
Nebraska which also houses a B-36! B-58! B-29 B-47 & B-17?

mjt@nagshead.ncsc.org (Mike Tighe) (02/27/90)

From: Mike Tighe <mjt@nagshead.ncsc.org>
> From: munnari!vaxa.uwa.OZ.AU!G_AHRENDT@uunet.uu.net
>> From: mjt@ncsc.org
>> The YF-12C was an SR-71A (64-17951). It was "detuned" for NASA use. Since
>> it was an SR-71A it did not have a dual cockpit, I doubt it was used as a
>> trainer.
 
> Incorrect, the YF-12C was 60-6937, it's fuselage was lengthened to provide
> for a dual canopy not cockpit and extra fuel and it served as the prototype
> for the SR-71.

The YF-12C was indeed 60-6937, BUT, it was also an SR-71A (64-17951). That
was my point. No doubt modifications were made as it was switched between
the two configurations.

>> There was only one SR-71A that was converted to SR-71B specifications. It
>> was 64-17956. The only other dual cockpit aircraft in the family were an A-
>> 12 (60-6927), and an SR-71C (64-17981) which was constructed from parts of
>> a YF-12A (60-6934).

> Also incorrect, two SR-71A's were converted to SR-71B's : 64-17956 &
> 64-17951.

No. As I said, 64-17951 was converted to a YF-12C, not an SR-71B. There may
have been another SR-71A converted to an SR-71B, namely 64-17957. However
this plane crashed on approach to Beale AFB on 12-Jan-68, and as far as I
know, this information (that it was indeed an SR-71B) has not been made
publicly available.

> You are also incorrect in saying that 60-6927 was a A-12 as it
> was an A-11. 

It was an A-12, I do not know what it was before it was an A-12.

> And again in saying that the SR-71C was constructed from the
> original YF-12A 60-6934, as it was a converted and electronically updated
> SR-71A 64-17981.

But it was. It was constructed from the rear half of 60-6934, which had a
"rough landing". The front half came from 64-17957, lending credence to the
fact that 64-17957 may have been an SR-71B.

All of this information I am spewing forth with is in the public domain. No
secrets here. Two references on this family of planes are: "Lockheed SR-71"
by Jay Miller and "SR-71 in Action" by Lou Drendell. If you have a
reference that contradicts the statements I have made (which came from
these sources), I would appreciate knowing what it is as would probably
many other readers of sci.military. Please share your reference with the
rest of us.

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Michael Tighe, mjt@ncsc.org