miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) (06/29/90)
From: "Stephen D. Grant" <miles@ms.uky.edu> I was wondering if in the wake of all the new stuff in Eastern Europe and the other developments whether there will be major cutbacks in the US military hiring practices and amounts hired. Would this decrease be meated out even between officers and enlisted or is there some favoritism? Miles ============================================================================= Stephen D. Grant, "Miles" | "I've had a few optional Extras Installed.." - 007 miles@s.ms.uky.edu | (President of the new chain stores "UZI's, AR-15's and HK94's R US") =============================================================================
jpulliam@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jacqueline Pulliam) (06/30/90)
From: jpulliam@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jacqueline Pulliam) >From: "Stephen D. Grant" <miles@ms.uky.edu> > >I was wondering if in the wake of all the new stuff in Eastern Europe >and the other developments whether there will be major cutbacks in >the US military hiring practices and amounts hired. Would this decrease Try this on for size: from 770-odd-thousand to 520-odd-thousand soldiers in the Army. Of 16 active duty divisions, at least three and possibly as many as six will be inactivated. Yep, I'd say the cutbacks are pretty major. The _Army_Times_, a weekly newsmagazine for soldiers, used to be full of stories about units, events, defense trends, new weapons, etc. For the past few months it has featured nothing but "how to get a civilian job" articles. I can't speak for the AF and Nav/MC, but I'm sure they're in a similar situation. >be meated out even between officers and enlisted or is there some favoritism? I don't want this to be a flame, but where do you get these ideas? We stopped selling commissions and commands over a hundred years ago, partner. Officers now eat with the troops, and both officer and enlisted will be leaving the ranks in roughly equal proportions. John Pulliam
morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes Morgan) (06/30/90)
From: Wes Morgan <morgan@ms.uky.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes: >I was wondering if in the wake of all the new stuff in Eastern Europe >and the other developments whether there will be major cutbacks in >the US military hiring practices and amounts hired. Would this decrease >be meated out even between officers and enlisted or is there some favoritism? Well, the US Army has been evaluating TOEs (Tables of Organization and Equipment) for some time. During my active service (early 1980s) the rule of thumb enforced by MILPERCEN was "if the position isn't filled for X months, and you do fine without it, it should be removed from your TOE." This had the effect of reducing possible assignments, and, eventually, required personnel levels. Other changes affecting personnel levels included removing the medics from several line units (engineers, artillery, et cetera) and centralizing a smaller number at a higher level. I should think that a RIF <Reduction in Force, as you Vietnam-era vets know> is likely some time in the next two years. Forces in Germany are almost certain to be reduced, as well as troops in South Korea. I don't think the RIF will cut more than about 10-15%, if that much. Often, a RIF is partially achieved by deactivating units, rather than arbitrarily tossing people out; an entire unit is wiped, rather than setting some arbitrary criteria. Another, smaller number can be removed via mandatory 20-year retirement. In addition, I believe that there is a provision in the promotion regs that can force individuals to be terminated if they've been passed over for promotion several times. As far as the officer/enlisted ratio in a RIF, it would probably be close to the general ratio for the entire force. Can anyone provide some current statistics? Wes -- | Wes Morgan, not speaking for | {any major site}!ukma!ukecc!morgan | | the University of Kentucky's | morgan@engr.uky.edu | | Engineering Computing Center | morgan%engr.uky.edu@UKCC.BITNET | Lint is the compiler's only means of dampening the programmer's ego.
smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) (06/30/90)
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) In article <1990Jun29.025523.6892@cbnews.att.com>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes: > I was wondering if in the wake of all the new stuff in Eastern Europe > and the other developments whether there will be major cutbacks in > the US military hiring practices and amounts hired. Would this decrease > be meated out even between officers and enlisted or is there some favoritism? I heard one report the other day about a planned 25% cutback in personnel levels by 1995, including a 7% cutback in the number of generals and admirals....