raymond%europa@uunet.UU.NET (Raymond Man) (07/28/90)
From: raymond%europa@uunet.UU.NET (Raymond Man) In <1990Jul25.004855.7480@cbnews.att.com> Craig Anderson, in reference to the raid on St. Nazaire, said Tirpitz was smaller than Yamato. I think that is correct, but Tirpitz might still be the largest battleship afloat at that time because, I think the St. Nazaire raid was in 1943, when Yamato was not yet commissioned. I think Yamato is considered as the biggest battleship in WWII although her sister ship Musashi(sp?) was about as big. However, the biggest WARSHIP in WWII is Shinano, which was designed as a battleship but hastily converted to a flap top after Midway. She was sink by a US sub during a transfer voyage before it was commissioned. Just call me `Man'. "And why take ye thought for " -- Matt. 6:28 raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
paul@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au (Paul Bailes) (07/31/90)
From: paul@batserver.cs.uq.oz.au (Paul Bailes) raymond%europa@uunet.UU.NET (Raymond Man) writes: >I think that is correct, but Tirpitz might still be the largest battleship >afloat at that time because, I think the St. Nazaire raid was in 1943, >when Yamato was not yet commissioned. Yamato was at Midway, mid-42. So there! >I think Yamato is considered as the biggest battleship in WWII although >her sister ship Musashi(sp?) was about as big. However, the biggest >WARSHIP in WWII is Shinano, which was designed as a battleship but >hastily converted to a flap top after Midway. She was sink by a US sub >during a transfer voyage before it was commissioned. What data (displacement etc.)? Paul Bailes [mod.note: Breyer, in _Battleships and Battlecruisers, 1905-1970_, lists the Shinano carrier version as about 1,000 tons lighter in all configurations than the Yamato and Musashi. - Bill ]
christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson) (08/02/90)
From: christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson) In article <1990Jul28.161257.2547@cbnews.att.com> raymond%europa@uunet.UU.NET (Raymond Man) writes: > >I think Yamato is considered as the biggest battleship in WWII although >her sister ship Musashi(sp?) was about as big. However, the biggest >WARSHIP in WWII is Shinano, which was designed as a battleship but >hastily converted to a flap top after Midway. She was sink by a US sub >during a transfer voyage before it was commissioned. >raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu I seem to remember reading about that somewhere...was the Shinano sunk in the Sea of Japan, by the USS Tang? Chris -- "Never count a human dead until you've seen the body. And even then you can make a mistake". -Lady Fenring
yee@edison.seas.ucla.edu (John Yee/;093090;eegrad) (08/05/90)
From: yee@edison.seas.ucla.edu (John Yee/;093090;eegrad) About Yamato and her sister ships, I believe Shinano was originally going to be another superbattleship of the Yamato class, but was converted to a carrier, which was then sunk by USS Archerfish on her transit voyage when she zigged when she should have zagged (thus maybe saying something about the value of zigzag courses for evading subs). Read the book "Shinano!" now in paperback by the then captain of the Archerfish. Capt. Enright, I think. jy, yee@ee.ucla.edu
janesdc@uunet.UU.NET (Dave Janes @ SCD) (08/07/90)
From: eplrx7!janesdc@uunet.UU.NET (Dave Janes @ SCD) In article <1990Aug2.042347.3224@cbnews.att.com> christ@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Chris Thompson) writes: > > I seem to remember reading about that somewhere...was the Shinano >sunk in the Sea of Japan, by the USS Tang? Just to pick a nit: the Shinano was sunk by the USS Archerfish. Tang had been done in by a circular torpedo run sometime before this. All this is from Submarine! by Ned Beach. Dave
welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty) (08/07/90)
From: welty@lewis.crd.ge.com (richard welty)
In article <1990Aug2.042347.3224@cbnews.att.com>, Chris Thompson writes:
*> However, the biggest
*>WARSHIP in WWII is Shinano, which was designed as a battleship but
*>hastily converted to a flap top after Midway. She was sink by a US sub
*>during a transfer voyage before it was commissioned.
*>raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
* I seem to remember reading about that somewhere...was the Shinano
*sunk in the Sea of Japan, by the USS Tang?
Not by Tang; Tang's short-but-spectacular career was principally
as a commerce destroyer (see _Clear the Bridge_, by Richard O'Kane,
Tang's skipper, for a very well done account of Tang's 5 war patrols.)
Shinano was sunk by Archer-Fish, commanded by Joseph Enright. as it
happens, my paperback copy of _Shinano!_, by the same Joseph Enright,
was in the back seat of the car i drove to work today, so i can tell
you that the ISBN is 0-312-90967-5, and that the US paperback publisher
is St. Martin's Press. _Shinano!_ is unique among the memoirs of
US sub skippers in that the prime event of Enright's career,
overshadowing all the other events, is the sinking of Shinano; as
a result Enright went to some trouble to research the Japanese side
of the story, and spends 1/2 the book narrating what was happening
on Shinano and trying to get inside the heads of its crew. because of
its focus, the book contains more about the tactics of the sub attack
that would otherwise be encountered. it's a facinating book; well worth
looking up.
richard
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