geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) (08/03/90)
From: geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) In article <1990Jul30.153536.26030@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> pspod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov writes: >The Cleveland Wing of the Confederate Air Force is presenting an airshow at >the Lorain County Airport, Aug 3rd, 4th, and 5th. Two of the aircraft present >will be the ME 109 and A6M2 Zero. Does anyone know if these aircraft are >actual 109 and Zero or some modification of other aircraft e.g. AT-6? The Zero is probably one of the converted AT-6s used in the filming of _Tora Tora Tora_. I'd think that a real Zero would be far too valuable to fly around the airshow circuit, and there'd be a real shortage of spare engine parts. Also, I believe that the CAF's Me-109 is a Spanish-built CASA- something. Same plane, essentially. Geoff -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Sun Microsystems geoffm@purplehaze.sun.com + + + + + + + + Milpitas, California -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) (08/07/90)
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) In article <1990Jul30.153536.26030@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, pspod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov writes: > > The Cleveland Wing of the Confederate Air Force is presenting an airshow at > the Lorain County Airport, Aug 3rd, 4th, and 5th. Two of the aircraft present > will be the ME 109 and A6M2 Zero. Does anyone know if these aircraft are actual > 109 and Zero or some modification of other aircraft e.g. AT-6? I think they're both real, sort of. the Zero is, the Me-109 is one of the Merlin-engined, Spanish-built versions. Ha-1120? ------------ The only drawback with morning is that it comes at such an inconvenient time of day. ------------
Scott.Johnson@p0.f7.n391.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Johnson) (08/08/90)
From: Scott.Johnson@p0.f7.n391.z1.fidonet.org (Scott Johnson)
GM> The Zero is probably one of the converted AT-6s used in the
GM> filming of _Tora Tora Tora_. I'd think that a real Zero would
GM> be far too valuable to fly around the airshow circuit, and
GM> there'd be a real shortage of spare engine parts. Also, I
GM> believe that the CAF's Me-109 is a Spanish-built CASA-
GM> something. Same plane, essentially.
While the Me-109's are spanish built, the CAF does have an authentic
Zero. I haven't been following the CAF lately, but if they're willing to
risk one of three flying B-29's on the airshow circut, I don't see why
they wouldn't fly their Zero.rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) (08/08/90)
From: rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) In article <1990Aug3.031145.19983@cbnews.att.com> geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes: | |From: geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) | |In article <1990Jul30.153536.26030@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> pspod@venus.lerc.nasa.gov writes: | |>The Cleveland Wing of the Confederate Air Force is presenting an airshow at |>the Lorain County Airport, Aug 3rd, 4th, and 5th. Two of the aircraft present |>will be the ME 109 and A6M2 Zero. Does anyone know if these aircraft are |>actual 109 and Zero or some modification of other aircraft e.g. AT-6? | |The Zero is probably one of the converted AT-6s used in the filming of |_Tora Tora Tora_. I'd think that a real Zero would be far too valuable to |fly around the airshow circuit, and there'd be a real shortage of spare engine |parts. Also, I believe that the CAF's Me-109 is a Spanish-built CASA- |something. Same plane, essentially. I'm fairly certain that it's a replica. The Indiana Wing is currently restoring a true Zero, though for lack of available parts, won't have a truly authentic engine (if I understand, or remember, correctly). The general statement is that this will be the only true flying Zero in existance, once it is completed. It will, as all CAF aircraft do, travel to airshows from time to time. The Zero won't be the only "one of a kind" aircraft the CAF has, but I still expect that they'll take very very good care of it as they do the others. I can't be fully certain of the details, as I've been paying more attention to our own restorations. :-) (B-25J (Miss Mitchell) and North American P-51C). "Colonel" Bob Granvin Southern Minnesota Wing -- ________Robert J. Granvin________ __INTERNET: rjg@sialis.mn.org ____Com Squared Systems, Inc.____ ____BITNET: rjg%sialis.mn.org@nic.mr.net ______UUCP: ...amdahl!bungia!sialis!rjg "We're all just one head injury away from not a care in the world."
jayd@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Jay A. Davis) (08/14/90)
From: jayd@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Jay A. Davis) In article <1990Aug8.030137.24923@cbnews.att.com>, rjg@sialis.mn.org (Robert J. Granvin) writes: > The general statement is that this will be the only true flying Zero in > existance, once it is completed. It will, as all CAF aircraft do, travel > to airshows from time to time. The Zero won't be the only "one of a kind" > aircraft the CAF has, but I still expect that they'll take very very good > care of it as they do the others. I can't be fully certain of the details, > as I've been paying more attention to our own restorations. :-) I have seen the CAF'S Zero. I took the tour at Harlingen(sp?) about 5 years ago. It was about 80% done. It had all of the skin and most of the control surfaces done. The engine was pretty complete. I think (not sure, it was a long time ago) that they had recovered it from the jungle somwhere in the south pacific. There are some planes that are just not flown after restoration they will only fly it once if that many times. And only once so they can say it is/was in flying condition. There are a couple of FW 190D's that are in "flying condition" but they sure as hell aren't going to put up a plane that can not be replaced. Maybe they moved the Zero from south Texas up north? ======================================================================== =========Jay Davis University of Oklahoma Center for Analysis and Prediction of Storms (CAPS) internet jay@geo785.gcn.uoknor.edu
dps@otter.hpl.hp.com (Duncan Smith) (08/22/90)
From: dps@otter.hpl.hp.com (Duncan Smith) / otter:sci.military / ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) / 4:19 am Aug 15, 1990 / >The spanish ME-109 housed at the museum at Wright Field, >Dayton, OH has a Merlin engine! The ME-109s used in the >movie "Battle of Britain" were Spanish also. > >Iskandar Ditto the CASA-111s (= license-built He111) used in the same film. The Merlins were really obvious. Weren't the Me109s also license- built by CASA? A few years back I remember waiting around at our local airfield (Bournemouth/Hurn, UK, EGHH - the UK's first international, BTW) for an ex-Spanish AF CASA 111 to come in from Spain after someone bought it as surplus. We were all pretty upset to learn that it had crashed en route, killing all aboard. About half a dozen Spanish AF C-47s arrived in the UK at about the same time; I don't know where they are now. Duncan ----------