kirchner@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de (Reinhard Kirchner) (10/17/90)
From: Reinhard Kirchner <kirchner@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de> From: Reinhard Kirchner <kirchner@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de> Hello, last week we had in our local newspaper 'Die Rheinpfalz' a foto of a MIG-29 with Bundeswehr-signs. So they are really going to use them. The article said the MIG-29 may even replace the not-yet-ready 'Jaeger 90'. R. Kirchner Univ. of Kaiserslautern ( the town between Ramstein Airbase and Sembach Airbase ) kirchner@uklirb.informatik.uni-kl.de
Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> (10/19/90)
From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> >last week we had in our local newspaper 'Die Rheinpfalz' a foto of a >MIG-29 with Bundeswehr-signs. Don't you mean the Luftwaffe? The Bundeswehr is the Army, not the Air Force. Allan
news@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (10/23/90)
From: news@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) writes: >From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> >>last week we had in our local newspaper 'Die Rheinpfalz' a foto of a >>MIG-29 with Bundeswehr-signs. >Don't you mean the Luftwaffe? The Bundeswehr is the Army, not the Air Force. Sorry, Bundeswehr means the whole armed forces of Germany. The correct translation would be: Army <--> Heer Navy <--> Bundesmarine (or in short Marine. Has nothing to do with "Marines" at all, the Bundeswehr has none) Air Force <--> Bundesluftwaffe (or in short Luftwaffe) Marines <--> No pendant (as stated above) So Bundeswehr means the whole things, including the civil adminstration. But in detail, your'e right. An aircraft bears the signs or the air force it belongs to. On the other hand, forces in the former GDR are NOT under NATO command, so there still no MIGs flying for NATO. -- / Klaus Moeller, Leiteweg 2, 2940 Wilhelmshaven, West - Germany \ < Klaus.Moeller@uniol.uucp 078326@DOLUNI1.BITNET > \ security is an exercise in applied paranoia /
ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) (10/24/90)
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Nur Iskandar Taib) > Actually I think what you _really_ mean is the Luftstreitkrafte. The >German air force hasn't been called the Luftwaffe since the end of the >Second World War. Well, in the book about Erich Hartmann, the modern-day West German airforce is referred to as the "Bundesluftwaffe". I suppose this would translate into "Air Force of the Federation". The book has some interesting comments about their adoption of the F-104 (Hartmann argued against it, saying that, for a budding air force, the F-104 was a little too hot to handle. Hart- mann commanded the first all-jet Jagdgeschwader. I belive it was called the Richtofen Geschwader, carrying on a tradition. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@AQUA.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS !
jimcat@rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) (10/24/90)
From: jimcat@rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) In article <1990Oct19.032427.12376@cbnews.att.com> ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) writes: > > >From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> >>last week we had in our local newspaper 'Die Rheinpfalz' a foto of a >>MIG-29 with Bundeswehr-signs. > >Don't you mean the Luftwaffe? The Bundeswehr is the Army, not the Air Force. > Actually I think what you _really_ mean is the Luftstreitkrafte. The German air force hasn't been called the Luftwaffe since the end of the Second World War. -- Jim Kasprzak kasprzak@mts.rpi.edu (internet) RPI, Troy, NY userfe0u@rpitsmts.bitnet "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission." -Rush
cash@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Cash) (10/24/90)
From: convex!cash@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Cash) In article <1990Oct19.032427.12376@cbnews.att.com> ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) writes: >From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> >>last week we had in our local newspaper 'Die Rheinpfalz' a foto of a >>MIG-29 with Bundeswehr-signs. >Don't you mean the Luftwaffe? The Bundeswehr is the Army, not the Air Force. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, I don't think so. The Luftwaffe ignominiously shut down operations about 50 years ago.I'm not sure of the organizational details, but I believe that the Bundeswehr includes the present German air force. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
roland@geronimo.pcs.com (Roland Rambau) (10/29/90)
From: roland@geronimo.pcs.com (Roland Rambau) convex!cash@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Cash) writes: >In article <1990Oct19.032427.12376@cbnews.att.com> ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) writes: >>From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> >>>last week we had in our local newspaper 'Die Rheinpfalz' a foto of a >>>MIG-29 with Bundeswehr-signs. >>Don't you mean the Luftwaffe? The Bundeswehr is the Army, not the Air Force. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >No, I don't think so. The Luftwaffe ignominiously shut down operations >about 50 years ago.I'm not sure of the organizational details, but I >believe that the Bundeswehr includes the present German air force. Sorry, You are both ( partially ) wrong: - "Luftwaffe" ( litterally: "air weapon" ) is still the current name of the german air force - "Bundeswehr" ( lit. "federal defense" ) is the current inclusive name for all german armed forces, which includes 'Heer', 'Marine' and 'Luftwaffe' - you probably confused Luftwaffe with the term "Wehrmacht" ( lit. "defense force" ) which was the name of the german army before 1945. This term is considered incorrect for todays military forces. ( and, no, sorry, I don't know ( and probably nobody knows yet ) what to do with the left over soviet military equipment in the long run; the Bundeswehr got it, but it seems they don't want it :-) Roland Rambau rra@cochise.pcs.com, {unido|pyramid}!pcsbst!rra, 2:507/414.2.fidonet