[sci.military] Iraqi Bomber Question

x35147d3@usma8.usma.edu (Bergman Charles CDT) (12/07/90)

From: x35147d3@usma8.usma.edu (Bergman Charles CDT)

In the October issue of JANE'S SOVIET INTELLIGENCE REVIEW, there was many 
articles dealing with the capabilities of the Iraqi Army, Navy and Air force.
The article syas that there are atleast 14 Soviet Tu-16 'Badger' Bombers and 
Chinese H-6 Bombers in the Air Force. The H-6 is the Chinese copy of the 
Badger.  The article says they have a combat radius of over 3150 km!
It goes on to say that the real significant capabilities in the Iraqi Air Force
lie in the 15 Su-24 Fence Strike aircraft (similar to the U.S. F-111).  The
Fencer has a combat radius of 1050 km with a good load and the Su-24 might have
a chance of leaving Iraqi air space.  The Mirage F-1 has a very good offensive
capability also of a combat radius of 700 km.  I might note that all of these
aircraft can very well cover Israel.
The article is very long and comprehensive on the capabilities of Iraq and its
weapon systems. Other notable aircraft in Iraqi hands are their own developed
Il-76 T-tail 'Mainstay' AWACS aircraft, none as Bagdad One!   The other 
aircraft mentioned in their Air Fleet includes the Su-7 'Fitter', Su-20 Fitter,
MiG-23F 'Flogger', Su-25 'Frogfoot' (proven in Afgan and like our A-10), F-7 
Xian, F-6 Shengyang, MiG-21 'Fishbed' and the Tu-22 'Blinder'.
They would probably use convential delivery systems, but have AM-39 Exocet 
missiles (proven on the USS Stark), AS-14 laser guided Soviet missiles, and AS 
30L French laser guided missiles.
Other possible, but unconfirmed air launched missiles, include the AS-4 
'Kitchen', AS-5 'Kelt', AS-6 'Kingfish' and the Iraqi designed "Ababil".
Who knows for sure.
One must wonder how a nation can logistical support such a wide variety of
aircraft, espicially while under a United Nations embarg.
The Iraqi Air Force is very capable and let's hope we can get it on the ground!

Charles K. Bergman
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nobody@Kodak.COM (Rick Lafford (x37825)) (12/09/90)

From: nobody@Kodak.COM (Rick Lafford (x37825))
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.

In response to Charles Bergmans item.

The Iraqi Airforce is indeed a force to watch but it is neither
so large or so capable as Charles note might lead one to believe.
First of all most of the aircraft are not front line capable and
have degraded systems due to vintage, foreign purchase options and
lack of repair parts.  Second, the Il-76 probably does not have
very sophisticated look-down capability which leaves it open to 
destruction by F-117 attack.  Three, I believe that the NATO navys have
developed so rather effective ECM countermeasures against Exocet 
attack as well as having the CLAWS systems onboard most ships which the
Stark did not have.

   As for the rest of the story, the Iraqi pilots have shown little
inclination to venture anywhere near intense anti-aircraft fire or
missile defences.  This rules out conventional ordinance and also
laser guided munitions, due to the requirement to hang around long
enough for the missile to get to the target.  I personally do not
feel that many Iraqi aircraft will escape the notice of the AWACS
aircraft, avoid the Airforce, surprise the Navy CAP and have their
limited number of Exocets get through the ECM and CLAWS systems.
Note that this is a personal opinion based on a limited knowledge
of the various layers of the system.  I would welcome any dialog
either pro or con.

All this is stimulating but I sure hope no one ever knows for sure.

Rick Lafford                 Don't use my return address!!!!!!
Eastman Kodak Co.
lafford@serum.Kodak.Com