white_ca@lrc.uucp (11/14/90)
From: white_ca@lrc.uucp About a month ago, someone placed a breakdown of U.S. and other troops present in the Middle East region that were either associated with OPERATION DESERT SHIELD or in the vicinity. Does anyone have an updated list? Such a list would be greatly appreciated ! Chuckles TX#!
kmc4@midway.uchicago.edu (keith matthew cardoza) (11/15/90)
From: kmc4@midway.uchicago.edu (keith matthew cardoza) In article <1990Nov14.010924.15410@cbnews.att.com> white_ca@lrc.uucp writes: > > >From: white_ca@lrc.uucp >About a month ago, someone placed a breakdown of U.S. and other troops present >in the Middle East region that were either associated with OPERATION DESERT >SHIELD or in the vicinity. Does anyone have an updated list? Such a list >would be greatly appreciated ! > Chuckles TX#! This was published in NYT on Saturday, November 10,1990 U.S. Gulf Force: What's There, What's on the Way Navy (Forces in Place) Joint Task Force Middle East In the Persian Gulf: Command Ship LaSalle Cruisers England and Antietam Frigates Vandegrift, Reid, Robert G. Bradley and Barbey Destroyer David R. Ray Battleship Wisconsin John F. Kennedy battle group In the eastern Mediterranean: Carrier John F. Kennedy Cruisers Mississippi, San Jacinto and Thomas S. Gates Destroyer Moosbrugger Frigate Samuel B. Roberts Four minesweepers Saratoga battle group In the Red Sea: Carrier Saratoga Cruisers Philippine Sea and Biddle Destroyers Sampson and Spruance Frigates Elmer Montgomery and Thomas C. Hart Midway Carrier Group In the Gulf of Oman: Aircraft carrier Midway Cruisers Bunker Hill and Mobile Bay Destroyers Hewitt and Oldendorf Frigates Curtis and Rodney M. Davis Navy (Forces to be Deployed) Up to 25,000 sailors Carrier Ranger and escorts Carrier Theodore Roosevelt and escorts Carrier America and escorts Battleship Missouri Amphibious Group 3 Army (Forces in Place) 82nd Airborne Division 24th Mechanized Infantry Division 101st Airborne Division I Corps Support Command 197th Mechanized Infantry Brigade 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment 11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade First Cavalry Division III Corps Artillery 12th Aviation Brigade Army (Forces to be Deployed) More than 55,000 troops and 1,130 tanks First Infantry Division (Fort Riley, Kan.) First Armored Division (Ansbach, Germany) Third Armored Division (Frankfurt, Germany) Second Armored Cavalry Regiment (Neremberg, Germany) II Corps Support Command (Stuttgart, Germany) VII Corps Headquarters (Stuttgart, Germany) Combat support, and combat service support units Marines (Forces in Place) First Marine Expeditionary Force First Marine Expeditionary Brigade Fourth Marine Expeditionary Brigade Seventh Marine Expeditionary Brigade Marines (Forces to be Deployed) More than 34,000 troops Second Marine Expeditionary Force (Camp Lejeune, N.C.) Fifth Marine Expeditionary Brigade (Camp Pendleton, Calif.) Maritie free-positioning package (Norfolk, Va.) Air Force (Forces in Place) First Tactical Fighter Wing (F-15B's, C's) Fourth Tactical Fighter Wing (F-15E's) 35th Tactical Fighter Wing (F-4G's) 37th Tactical Fighter Wing (F-117 Stealths) 48th Tactical Fighter Wing (F-111 F's) 52d Tactical Fighter wing (F-4G's) 354th Tactical Fighter Wing (A-10's) 363d Tactical Fighter Wing (F-16's) 401st Tactical Fighter Wing (F-16's) 552d Airborne Warning and Control Wing (E-3 Awacs) RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft -- Keith Cardoza E-mail : kmc4@midway.uchicago.edu =============================================================================== The University Of Chicago : "We're smart, you're dumb." 8^) Macintosh (tm) - Once you go Mac, you never go back.
leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Lee Mellinger) (11/16/90)
From: leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Lee Mellinger) In article <1990Nov15.013838.2252@cbnews.att.com> kmc4@midway.uchicago.edu (keith matthew cardoza) writes: : :This was published in NYT on Saturday, November 10,1990 : :Air Force (Forces in Place) :First Tactical Fighter Wing (F-15B's, C's) [...] Where are the B-52 Wing's? Lee "Mit Pulver und Blei, die Gedanken sind frei." |Lee F. Mellinger Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory - NASA |4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 818/393-0516 FTS 977-0516 |leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV
jln@portia.Stanford.EDU (Jared Nedzel) (11/17/90)
From: jln@portia.Stanford.EDU (Jared Nedzel) In article <1990Nov16.051323.21100@cbnews.att.com> leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Lee Mellinger) writes: }From: leem@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Lee Mellinger) }In article <1990Nov15.013838.2252@cbnews.att.com} kmc4@midway.uchicago.edu (keith matthew cardoza) writes: }: }:This was published in NYT on Saturday, November 10,1990 }: }:Air Force (Forces in Place) }:First Tactical Fighter Wing (F-15B's, C's) }Where are the B-52 Wing's? Diego Garcia -- Jared L. Nedzel --------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: nedzel@cive.stanford.edu jln@portia.stanford.edu
mc9e@dale.acc.Virginia.EDU (Matt Crispin) (11/19/90)
From: mc9e@dale.acc.Virginia.EDU (Matt Crispin) You don't need B-52's over there. There are FB-111's in Turkey, along with some B-2's. There's no real need for the real big boys. -- | Matthew S. Crispin (IRC: MSC) | | mc9e@dale.acc.virginia.edu | | "The Incredible Butthead" |
Mary Shafer <shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov> (11/20/90)
From: Mary Shafer <shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov>
Somebody wrote:
You don't need B-52's over there. There are FB-111's in Turkey,
along with some B-2's. There's no real need for the real big boys.
Both of the B-2s are here at Edwards AFB. They are _not_ operational
and will not be deployed.
Perhaps you meant the F-117A, which is indeed in the area. I think they
might be in Turkey, but am not certain.
--
Mary Shafer shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov ames!skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov!shafer
NASA Ames Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
Of course I don't speak for NASA
"A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all"--Unknown US fighter pilotsysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) (11/22/90)
From: sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) In article <1990Nov19.001938.9224@cbnews.att.com>, mc9e@dale.acc.Virginia.EDU (Matt Crispin) writes: >From: mc9e@dale.acc.Virginia.EDU (Matt Crispin) > >You don't need B-52's over there. There are FB-111's in Turkey, along with \ >some B-2's. There's no real need for the real big boys. Huh? We have B-52s in Diego Garcia. I've heard some pre-positioning is currently taking place to station more B-52s in Egypt when war comes, for carpet bombing the Iraqi fortifications in Kuwait. FB-111s are available for precision strike, but do not carry the big bomb load which the B-52 can. The B-2 (all two of them) is still in testing phase. Maybe you mean the B-1? The B-1 is currently dedicated (so far as we know) to strategic missions (ie: Nuclear War).
megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23) (11/22/90)
From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MEGAZONE 23) In article <1990Nov19.001938.9224@cbnews.att.com> mc9e@dale.acc.Virginia.EDU (Matt Crispin) writes: >You don't need B-52's over there. There are FB-111's in Turkey, along with some B-2's. There's no real need for the real big boys. ^^^^^^^ Did you mean B-1's? There is only one flying B-2 as far as the USAF is willing to say. ############################################################################### # "Calling Garland operator 7G," EVE Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu # # MEGAZONE, aka DAYTONA, aka BRIAN BIKOWICZ Bitnet Use a gateway. Sorry. # ###############################################################################
jem3@bellcore.bellcore.com (John E McKillop) (11/22/90)
From: pyuxf!jem3@bellcore.bellcore.com (John E McKillop) In article <1990Nov19.001938.9224@cbnews.att.com> mc9e@dale.acc.Virginia.EDU (Matt Crispin) writes: >You don't need B-52's over there. There are FB-111's in Turkey, along with some B-2's. There's no real need for the real big boys. There was an article in yesterdays New York Times outlining the obvious four alternatives for taking Kuwait back. One of them involved the carpet bombing of Kuwait infantry which would require ole BUFF (aka B-52). I understand we have BUFFs based on Diego Garcia but more would have to be deployed if we were to undertake the carpet bombing mission.
jwm@wdl76.wdl.fac.com (Jon W Meyer) (11/22/90)
From: jwm@wdl76.wdl.fac.com (Jon W Meyer) shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >From: Mary Shafer <shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov> >Somebody wrote: > You don't need B-52's over there. There are FB-111's in Turkey, > along with some B-2's. There's no real need for the real big boys. >Both of the B-2s are here at Edwards AFB. They are _not_ operational >and will not be deployed. >Perhaps you meant the F-117A, which is indeed in the area. I think they >might be in Turkey, but am not certain. I suspect that the original poster probably meant B-1B's, rather than B-2's. Jon ____________________________________________________________________________ Jon W. Meyer | "I'd travel 10,000 miles to smoke a camel" FA, CA ARNG | Caption from the (unofficial) desert shield tee-shirt. | | "If, when the battle's over, your infantry does not love you, | you are a poor artillery man."
page@cod.nosc.mil (Ward C. Page) (11/27/90)
From: page@cod.nosc.mil (Ward C. Page) In article <1990Nov21.215841.18509@cbnews.att.com> sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) writes: > > >From: sysmgr@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU (Doug Mohney) > >FB-111s are available for precision strike, but do not carry the big bomb load >which the B-52 can. > This is a little off the subject, but F-111's CAN carry as big a bomb load as a B-52. Back in the 70's General Dynamics loaded an F-111 with as many iron bombs as a Buff carries and flew it around the pattern a couple of times to demonstrate the wonderfulness of the 111. The pilot swore never to attempt it again. Ward Page
ifaq570@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (allen kitchen) (11/29/90)
From: ifaq570@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (allen kitchen) Speaking as one who has first hand knowledge of what the B52 can do as far as damage, using this plane in this conflict is a good idea. It shouldn't be the first plane over the border, by all means, but one B52 can make a city block into a parking lot in under 10 secs. As far as accuracy goes, we usually could land our bombs within 5-10ft of target. It got to the point we were so cocky we would ask who the command wanted to die first in the target site... My heart does bleed for those on Diego Garcia, affectionatly called: A looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way from anything!!! allen
major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) (11/29/90)
From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) In article <1990Nov14.010924.15410@cbnews.att.com>, white_ca@lrc.uucp writes: > > > From: white_ca@lrc.uucp > About a month ago, someone placed a breakdown of U.S. and other troops present > in the Middle East region that were either associated with OPERATION DESERT > SHIELD or in the vicinity. Does anyone have an updated list? Such a list > would be greatly appreciated ! > Chuckles TX#! Army: HQ 3d Army HQ VII Corps 2d Armor Div 3d Armor Div 24th Mech Div 82d Abn Div 101 Ambl Div 1st Cav Div 197th Sep Mech Inf Bde 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment III Corps Artillery 11th Air Defense Bde (Patriot) 12th Combat Aviation Brigade 229th Aviation Regiment 1st Corps Support Command (COSCOM) 13th COSCOM 7th Medical Command (elements) Most of the Reserve and National Guard ordered to active duty consist of Chemical, Combat Support, Medical, Military Police, Ordnance, Transportation, Military Intelligence, Quartermaster, Adjutant General, and Engineer units. (I have a long laundry list of actual unit designations if you want them) mike schmitt
andy@asr.ingr.com (new user) (12/12/90)
From: nijmeg!andy@asr.ingr.com (new user) I would greatly appreciate an updated list of all units. thanks andy