ron@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) (01/10/91)
From: ron@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) Re: F-14 History An assertion has been made over in rec.arts.movies that the F-14 was deployed to carriers whose A-6 aircraft were flying missions in Viet Nam. (Subject is the movie "Flight of the Intruder") Can anyone shed some facts and references on the subject? Dates, perhaps? Ron Miller
gwh%tornado.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) (01/12/91)
From: gwh%tornado.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) In article <1991Jan10.025037.3027@cbnews.att.com> ron@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) writes: >An assertion has been made over in rec.arts.movies that the F-14 was >deployed to carriers whose A-6 aircraft were flying missions in Viet Nam. >(Subject is the movie "Flight of the Intruder") > >Can anyone shed some facts and references on the subject? >Dates, perhaps? Uhh, i doubt it. In September 1974, VF-1 Wolfpack and VF-2 Bounty Hunters deployed F-14's for the first time on the USS Enterprise. Previous test cruises with the aircraft had been made, but none that went anywhere near southeast asia. On that first cruise, the Enterprise briefly covered the evacuation of Saigon as the war ended. Thus, it is possible that F-14's flew over the country of Vietnam at some point...but I really doubt that they did. I don't recall US forces making any strikes at that time. They were most certainly NOT deployed earlier when the strikes against North Vietnam were going on. The first F-14 flew Dec. 21, 1970, and crashed 9 days later on the 30th due to a hydraulic line failure. The first carrier tests weren't until June 1972. We were quite disengaged by that time, i think. == George William Herbert == * UNIX ate my last .sig, Waiting for Plan 9! * == JOAT for Hire: Anything, == ######### I do Naval Architecture, ########## == + Anywhere, at my price. + == # Spacecraft Design, UNIX Systems Consulting # == + gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu + == # RPG writing/development, and lots of other # == + ucbvax!ocf!gwh + == ## random stuff, of course. I'm a JOAT 8-) ##
thornley@uunet.UU.NET (David H. Thornley) (01/12/91)
From: plains!umn-cs!LOCAL!thornley@uunet.UU.NET (David H. Thornley) In article <1991Jan10.025037.3027@cbnews.att.com> ron@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) writes: >An assertion has been made over in rec.arts.movies that the F-14 was >deployed to carriers whose A-6 aircraft were flying missions in Viet Nam. >(Subject is the movie "Flight of the Intruder") I've got a reference book here that says that the first production F-14s were delivered in October 1972, and the first operational takeoff was off the _Enterprise_, from VF-2, in March 1974. Unfortunately, I am not as sure of U.S.N. activity in the final stages of the Vietnam War. Did the Navy fly A-6 sorties in support of ARVN in the 1975 conquest? That would seem to be the only opportunity for F-14 combat missions over Vietnam. (In any case, the events in the *novel* "Flight of the Intruder" were obviously not 1974 or later, and therefore F-14s have no business in the *book*; I don't know what changes the moviemakers might have made.) DHT
pierce@bcstec.boeing.com (Greg Pierce) (01/12/91)
From: pierce@bcstec.boeing.com (Greg Pierce) Ron Miller ask the question: >An assertion has been made over in rec.arts.movies >that the F-14 was deployed to carriers whose A-6 >aircraft were flying missions in Viet Nam. To the best of my knowledge the F-14 was on carriers in the South China Sea in 1975, and were flying cover for the withdraw from Vietnam that same year (Frequent Wind?) but did not engage in combat. ____________________________ Greg Pierce uunet!bcstec!pierce fossil from above
welty@sol.crd.ge.com (richard welty) (01/12/91)
From: welty@sol.crd.ge.com (richard welty)
[crossposted to sci.military, where the question was asked,
and to rec.arts.movies, where the misinformation is evidently being
spread. followups to rec.arts.movies -- rpw]
In article <1991Jan10.025037.3027@cbnews.att.com>, Ron Miller writes:
*An assertion has been made over in rec.arts.movies that the F-14 was
*deployed to carriers whose A-6 aircraft were flying missions in Viet Nam.
*(Subject is the movie "Flight of the Intruder")
*Can anyone shed some facts and references on the subject?
*Dates, perhaps?
according to the 1981-82 Jane's All the Worlds Aircraft, we
have the following dates:
15 January 1969: Grumman announces that they've won the
Navy's design competition for a new fighter-interceptor,
the VFX cometition
21 December 1970: First flight, F-14A Tomcat prototype
??: First aircraft lost in non-fatal
testing accident
24 May 1971: Testing resumes with second prototype
?? June 1972: Carrier trials commence
?? September 1974: Becomes operational on USS Enterprise in
Western Pacific, with squadrons VF-1 and VF-2
as you can see, the F-14 was just a couple of years too late
for any major involvement in 'nam. the principal fighters
for the USN in 'nam were the F-4 and the F-8.
richard
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From: turner@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Staff- Bob S Turner) In article <1991Jan10.025037.3027@cbnews.att.com> ron@hpfcso.fc.hp.com (Ron Miller) writes: > > >An assertion has been made over in rec.arts.movies that the F-14 was >deployed to carriers whose A-6 aircraft were flying missions in Viet Nam. >(Subject is the movie "Flight of the Intruder") > >Can anyone shed some facts and references on the subject? >Dates, perhaps? I don't have any definite facts, but I doubt the F-14 saw any combat in Vietnam. I know the A-6 had been deployed in the mid 60's. I remember pictures of A-6s being escorted by F-4s and I think F-8. The F-14 on the other hand wasn't deployed until 1972 or later. It was the results of taking the few good aspects of F-111B (Navy TFX) and the F-4 Vietnam experience. I don't think Grumman started engineering the F-14 until 1968. (Why did the A-12 project seem to have all the stench of the TFX to me? Its like deja vu all over again.(Quote by Yogi Berra)) So in total its possible that F-14s may have been around during the evacuation of Saigon in 1975, but I really doubt that it saw combat action with A-6's. -- ==================================================================== Bob Turner Network Manager, School of Engineering 513-229-3171 turner@udecc.engr.udayton.edu Univ. of Dayton, Engineering Computing Center-KL211, Dayton OH 45469
twb@goanna.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Tony Basaranowicz) (01/16/91)
From: twb@goanna.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Tony Basaranowicz) plains!umn-cs!LOCAL!thornley@uunet.UU.NET (David H. Thornley) writes: [Stuff deleted...] >Vietnam. (In any case, the events in the *novel* "Flight of the >Intruder" were obviously not 1974 or later, and therefore F-14s have >no business in the *book*; I don't know what changes the moviemakers >might have made.) >DHT How many of you out there have *actually* read the book? No F-14s feature in it at all. The main fighter-type in the book is the F-4 Phantom, while as you may already know, the A-6 is the aircraft featured most heavily in the book. Where the F-14 (D) *is* featured is in the sequel to FOTI, Final Flight, another good offering from Stephen Coonts (latest is The Minotaur). Although the flying sequences are described with detail, it takes about 2/3 of the book to get to the really good stuff - but overall, IMHO, I rate the book fairly high. >From another posting I read, I was disappointed to hear that the character- isations were not all they could have been in the film. The characterisations in the book were excellent, and the opening of the book in particular had a surreal quality to it. Tony Basaranowicz, (twb@goanna.cs.rmit.OZ.AU) .-------. Dept. of Comp. Sci., ._____.:'____|____\___. ________ Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, [_ .-. | | .-: | ______ GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne, 3001, `;: :=========: :=='_____ Victoria, Australia. "-" "-" Ph: +61 3 660 3576 Fax: +61 3 662 1617 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------