gwh%soda.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) (01/23/91)
From: gwh%soda.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) In article <1991Jan21.040658.4865@cbnews.att.com> hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe N. Kim) writes: >It seems that the AK-47 and the UZI seems to be among the most popular >rifles in the world. I would like to hear from anyone who has served in >armies that actually use either the AK's or UZI's (Finland and >Isreal?). What do infantryman find attractive about them and what are >the gripes about those weopons? Email is also welcome. The UZI is in no way a Rifle. It's a submachinegun, firing the 9mm pistol cartridge in selective-fire (semi or fully-automatic). Did you mean the (Israeli manufactured) Galil? It's a rifle. == George William Herbert == * UNIX ate my last .sig, Waiting for Plan 9! * == JOAT for Hire: Anything, == ######### I do Naval Architecture, ########## ===+++ Anywhere, my price +++=== # Spacecraft Design, UNIX Systems Consulting # == gwh@soda.berkeley.edu == # RPG writing/development, and lots of other # == gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu == ## random stuff, of course. I'm a JOAT 8-) ##
quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan) (01/24/91)
From: quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan) / hpcc01:sci.military / hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe N. Kim) / 8:06 pm Jan 20, 1991 / >It seems that the AK-47 and the UZI seems to be among the most popular >rifles in the world. I would like to hear from anyone who has served in >armies that actually use either the AK's or UZI's (Finland and >Isreal?). What do infantryman find attractive about them and what are >the gripes about those weopons? Email is also welcome. >---------- It's been a long time, but I'll try. I never used the AK-47, but the enemies were (I served in the South Vietnamese army during the VN war). I was a small man weighing 94Lbs, so I did not re-use the AK-47s we captured : it weighs considerably too much for a small infantery man to carry a long distance. I carried an American made Carbine. don't remember the code name nor the model, but it was light. But AK-47's bullets are heavier and larger in diameter (more lethal, makes more damage to the body). That's all I can remember. [mod.note: Sounds to me like either an M1 or M2 carbine. The actual bullet is .30 cal, about the same diameter as the AK's 7.62 round, but the cartridge of the Russian round is a bit bigger in diameter. - Bill ]
tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) (01/25/91)
From: tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) In article <1991Jan24.043239.25361@cbnews.att.com> quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan) writes: >I was a small man weighing 94Lbs, so I did not re-use the AK-47s we captured : >it weighs considerably too much for a small infantery man to >carry a long distance. I carried an American made Carbine. don't remember >the code name nor the model, but it was light. But AK-47's bullets are >heavier and larger in diameter (more lethal, makes more damage to the body). > >That's all I can remember. > >[mod.note: Sounds to me like either an M1 or M2 carbine. The actual >bullet is .30 cal, about the same diameter as the AK's 7.62 round, but >the cartridge of the Russian round is a bit bigger in diameter. - Bill ] Maybe the "shorty-16"? Take a standard M-16, cut the barrel down, and replace the stock with a folding one. Designations I've seen are CAR-15 and M-177. According to what I've read, it was capable of firing standard 5.56N rounds and using standard M-16 clips. The same weapon has been rechambered to fire 9mm Parabellum rounds and is called the "Colt SMG". I think it is in use with the FBI and other Federal Law-enforcement agencies. But then, I'm just a lonely Trekkie who reads the odd book on military history for yucks... -- Capt. Gym Z. Quirk net.torrorist (reformed) | THIS SPACE FOR RENT tkogoma@triton.cirt.unm.edu | (until I can find (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) | a decent quote.)
wilko@idca.tds.philips.nl (W.C. Bulte) (01/25/91)
From: wilko@idca.tds.philips.nl (W.C. Bulte) In article <1991Jan21.040658.4865@cbnews.att.com> hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe N. Kim) writes: > > >From: Hanhwe N. Kim <hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu> > >It seems that the AK-47 and the UZI seems to be among the most popular >rifles in the world. I would like to hear from anyone who has served in >armies that actually use either the AK's or UZI's (Finland and >Isreal?). What do infantryman find attractive about them and what are >the gripes about those weopons? Email is also welcome. When I was in the Dutch army, I was, as a truck driver, equipped with an UZI. Regular infantry in the Netherlands is equipped with FN-FAL rifles. The main attractiveness of the UZI is it's small size. The Dutch army version has a metal butt, which can be folded to minimize the size even more. Dutch airforce grond personnel also uses UZIs with a wooden butt. My limited shooting experience with the UZI indicates to me that the bullet's trajectory is far from straight. This means that a minimal deviation from keeping the weapon's magazine vertically aligned produces impressive misses :-) This shooting was done on 100m ranges, while the UZI also has a sight for 200m instructors indicated that hitting a target on 200 m ranges is largely a matter of luck. To my opinion an UZI should be an excellent waepon for close combat (like in cities), but as a general infantry waepon lacks both the range and the accuracy. The UZI also has the advantage that it is an extremely simple weapon, which can be dismantled and cleaned in very little time. It is also believed to remain servicable when it is very dirty (desert sand?) _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte Domain: wilko@idca.tds.philips.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) uucp : [mcsun,hp4nl]!philapd!wilko * Philips Information Systems Nederland phone: 055-432372 fax: 055-432103 ____________________________________________________________________________