[sci.military] Rifles grunts love

gwh%soda.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) (01/23/91)

From: gwh%soda.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert)

In article <1991Jan21.040658.4865@cbnews.att.com> hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe N. Kim) writes:
>It seems that the AK-47 and the UZI seems to be among the most popular
>rifles in the world. I would like to hear from anyone who has served in
>armies that actually use either the AK's or UZI's (Finland and
>Isreal?). What do infantryman find attractive about them and what are
>the gripes about those weopons? Email is also welcome.

The UZI is in no way a Rifle.  It's a submachinegun, firing the 9mm pistol
cartridge in selective-fire (semi or fully-automatic).

Did you mean the (Israeli manufactured) Galil?  It's a rifle.


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quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan) (01/24/91)

From: quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan)

/ hpcc01:sci.military / hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe N. Kim) /  8:06 pm  Jan 20, 1991 /


>It seems that the AK-47 and the UZI seems to be among the most popular
>rifles in the world. I would like to hear from anyone who has served in
>armies that actually use either the AK's or UZI's (Finland and
>Isreal?). What do infantryman find attractive about them and what are
>the gripes about those weopons? Email is also welcome.
>----------

It's been a long time, but I'll try.
I never used the AK-47, but the enemies were (I served in the South Vietnamese
army during the VN war).

I was a small man weighing 94Lbs, so I did not re-use the AK-47s we captured : 
it weighs considerably too much for a small infantery man to 
carry a long distance. I carried an American made Carbine. don't remember
the code name nor the model, but it was light. But AK-47's bullets are 
heavier and larger in diameter (more lethal, makes more damage to the body).

That's all I can remember.

[mod.note:  Sounds to me like either an M1 or M2 carbine.  The actual
bullet is .30 cal, about the same diameter as the AK's 7.62 round, but
the cartridge of the Russian round is a bit bigger in diameter. - Bill ]

tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) (01/25/91)

From: tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
In article <1991Jan24.043239.25361@cbnews.att.com> quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan) writes:
>I was a small man weighing 94Lbs, so I did not re-use the AK-47s we captured : 
>it weighs considerably too much for a small infantery man to 
>carry a long distance. I carried an American made Carbine. don't remember
>the code name nor the model, but it was light. But AK-47's bullets are 
>heavier and larger in diameter (more lethal, makes more damage to the body).
>
>That's all I can remember.
>
>[mod.note:  Sounds to me like either an M1 or M2 carbine.  The actual
>bullet is .30 cal, about the same diameter as the AK's 7.62 round, but
>the cartridge of the Russian round is a bit bigger in diameter. - Bill ]

Maybe the "shorty-16"?  Take a standard M-16, cut the barrel down, and
replace the stock with a folding one.  Designations I've seen are
CAR-15 and M-177.  According to what I've read, it was capable of
firing standard 5.56N rounds and using standard M-16 clips.

The same weapon has been rechambered to fire 9mm Parabellum rounds and
is called the "Colt SMG".  I think it is in use with the FBI and other
Federal Law-enforcement agencies.

But then, I'm just a lonely Trekkie who reads the odd book on military
history for yucks...

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wilko@idca.tds.philips.nl (W.C. Bulte) (01/25/91)

From: wilko@idca.tds.philips.nl (W.C. Bulte)

In article <1991Jan21.040658.4865@cbnews.att.com> hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe N. Kim) writes:
>
>
>From: Hanhwe N. Kim <hnkst2@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
>
>It seems that the AK-47 and the UZI seems to be among the most popular
>rifles in the world. I would like to hear from anyone who has served in
>armies that actually use either the AK's or UZI's (Finland and
>Isreal?). What do infantryman find attractive about them and what are
>the gripes about those weopons? Email is also welcome.

When I was in the Dutch army, I was, as a truck driver, equipped with an UZI.
Regular infantry in the Netherlands is equipped with FN-FAL rifles. The
main attractiveness of the UZI is it's small size. The Dutch army version has
a metal butt, which can be folded to minimize the size even more. Dutch
airforce grond personnel also uses UZIs with a wooden butt. My limited 
shooting experience with the UZI indicates to me that the bullet's 
trajectory is far from straight. This means that a minimal deviation from
keeping the weapon's magazine vertically aligned produces impressive misses
:-) This shooting was done on 100m ranges, while the UZI also has a sight
for 200m instructors indicated that hitting a target on 200 m ranges is
largely a matter of luck. To my opinion an UZI should be an excellent 
waepon for close combat (like in cities), but as a general infantry
waepon lacks both the range and the accuracy. The UZI also has the 
advantage that it is an extremely simple weapon, which can be dismantled 
and cleaned in very little time. It is also believed to remain servicable
when it is very dirty (desert sand?)

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