pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) (01/14/91)
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) Are there any indications of what kind of opposition the UN (mostly US) aerial forces will encounter over the Gulf region? Looking at the two previous major wars the US has fought shows a disconcerting trend: In Korea the kill ratio was approximately 10 to 1, but in Vietnam it was 2 to 1. Since Air Superiority is vital for the success of the ground troops this seems an important issue. (Perhaps this post won't arrive at mosts sites until we know for sure...) -- Per Danielsson pd@sics.se Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) (01/19/91)
From: pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) In article <1991Jan17.052857.27978@cbnews.att.com>, fiddler@Eng (Steve Hix) writes: >The low kill ratio during the Viet Nam fighting was during the early part >of aerial encounters. Not really. The *average* kill ratio for the whole comflict was approximately 2 to 1. (Actually slightly above 2). -- Per Danielsson pd@sics.se Swedish Institute of Computer Science, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN
smpod@helios.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) (01/19/91)
From: smpod@helios.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) In article <1991Jan14.010850.5731@cbnews.att.com>, pd@sics.se (Per Danielsson) writes... >Are there any indications of what kind of opposition the UN (mostly >US) aerial forces will encounter over the Gulf region? Looking at the >two previous major wars the US has fought shows a disconcerting trend: >In Korea the kill ratio was approximately 10 to 1, but in Vietnam it >was 2 to 1. In Vietnam the Navy reevaluated its tactics and training procedures which resulted in the Top Gun school. This paid off in moving the kill ratios back to 10 to 1. Today's news show that the U.S. has probably bested the results obtained by the Israelis in the Bekaa (sp?) valley (ratio of 80 to 1).
whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) (01/21/91)
From: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) In article <1991Jan17.052857.27978@cbnews.att.com> fiddler@Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) writes: > > >The Navy dealt with the problem by coming up with what is now called the >Top Gun school, and scores went up markedly. (Don't remember whether the >Air Force set up their own school or if they used the Navy's facilities >back then.) They did--it's called Red Flag. --Hal ======================================================================= Hal Heydt | Practice Safe Government Analyst, Pacific*Bell | Use Kingdoms 415-823-5447 | (seen on a bumper sticker) whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM |
gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) (01/24/91)
From: gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) In-Reply-To: message from whheydt@PacBell.COM |>The Navy dealt with the problem by coming up with what is now called the |>Top Gun school, and scores went up markedly. (Don't remember whether the |>Air Force set up their own school or if they used the Navy's facilities |>back then.) |They did--it's called Red Flag. I thought it was called "William Tell". Gary --- UUCP: ogicse!clark!pro-freedom!gsnow | Pro-Freedom: 206/253-9389 ProLine: gsnow@pro-freedom | Vancouver, Wa ARPANet: crash!pro-freedom!gsnow@nosc.mil | Apple*Van InterNet: gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com | Vancouver Apple Users Group
gwishon@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Gordon D. Wishon) (01/27/91)
From: gwishon@blackbird.afit.af.mil (Gordon D. Wishon) gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) writes: >From: gsnow@pro-freedom.cts.com (Gary Snow) >In-Reply-To: message from whheydt@PacBell.COM >|>The Navy dealt with the problem by coming up with what is now called the >|>Top Gun school, and scores went up markedly. (Don't remember whether the >|>Air Force set up their own school or if they used the Navy's facilities >|>back then.) >|They did--it's called Red Flag. >I thought it was called "William Tell". "William Tell" is the Air Force's bi-annual air-to-air competition. "Gunsmoke", the Air Force's air-to-ground competition, is held in William Tell's off years. "Red Flag" is NOT a competition, but training (using live ordnance, etc.). Red Flag encompasses air-to-air, air-to-ground, dissimilar air combat training, and joint operations. I'm not sure if the Top Gun school covers as much territory. Actually, a closer counterpart to the Navy's Top Gun school would be the Air Force's "Fighter Weapons School". Gordon D. Wishon Air Force Institute of Technology -- Gordon D. Wishon Air Force Institute of Technology / Wright State University gwishon@blackbird.afit.af.mil / gwishon@thor.wright.edu