[sci.military] Oddball weapons

griffenj%db1_pdx@ncube.com (Griffen) (02/06/91)

From: griffenj%db1_pdx@ncube.com (Griffen)

Been waiting for somebody to mention these.  Guess I will.

1. RE:  Gustav and Dora (800mm guns of 3rd Reich)

   Official designation: 80cm K(E)  [Krupp(Eisenbahn)???]

[mod.note:  "Kanone (Eisenbahn)" - Bill ]

   Crew: ~1500.  Weight: ~1350 tons.  Mounting/dismantling: 4-6 weeks.
   Projectiles:
	Anti-personnel, 4 tons weight, range 29 miles.
	Concrete-piercing, 7 tons weight, range 23 miles. (reputedly
	  could penetrate > 80 meters of concrete - no typo)
   
   Conceived in 1937 by Krupp to bomb the Maginot line.  Built as a
   low-priority project from 1939-41.  First test firing at the Rugenwalde
   range in 1942.  The first piece named 'Gustav', saw action in the siege
   of Sevastopol in 1942.  It was located at Bakhchisaray and reportedly
   fired 30-40 rounds.  Gustav was also used at Pruskov, when it fired
   ~30 rounds into Warsaw in September, 1944.  It was beleived to have
   been captured by the Soviets.  The second piece, named 'Dora', was 
   supposedly used for development and never left the proving ground.  
   (Among those items developed were fin-stabilized projectiles - 2000Kg
   and > 90 mi range - and rocket-assisted projectiles capable of > 115 mi
   range.)  Ammunition and a spare barrel were found at the Meppen Proof
   range at the end of the war.

   It was thought that logistics killed these guns.  They required two
   antiaircraft regiments to defend it.  The commander was a major-
   general.  ~500 men were required to load and fire the gun.  Sixty
   trains were required to set it up and service it.  It was not deemed
   worth the effort.

2. RE: Sound as a weapon.

   Luftkanone.  Developed at Talstation Lofer, Germany, during WWII.
   Developer:  Dr. Richard Wallauscheck. 

   Best quote here:

   "...design consisted of a parabolic reflector, 3.2 meters in diameter,
   having a short tube which was the combustion chamber or sound
   generator, extending to the rear from the vertex of the parabola.
   The chamber was fed at the rear by two coaxial nozzles, the outer
   nozzle emitting methane, and the central nozzle oxygen.  The length
   of the chamber was one-quarter the wavelength of the sound in air.
   Upon initiation, the first shock wave was reflected back from the
   openend of the chamber and initiated the second explosion.  The 
   frequency was from 800 to 1500 impulses per second.
      The main lobe of the sound intensity pattern had a 65 degree
   angle of opening, and at 60 meters' distance on the axis a pressure
   of 1000 microbars had been measured.  No physiological experiments
   were conducted, but it was estimated that at such a pressure it 
   would take from 30 to 40 seconds to kill a man.  At greater ranges,
   perhaps up to 300 meters, the effect, although not lethal, would be 
   very painful and would probably disable a man for an appreciable
   length of time.  Vision would be affected, and low-level exposures
   would cause point sources of light to appear as lines." [1]

   The device was not deployed, due to complexity and lack of range.

   Also, a device that created vortices in the air, and a device that 
   shot 'plugs' of air were developed at the same facility, primarily
   for low-level anti-aircraft defence.

References:

[1]   _Secret Weapons of the Third Reich_ by Leslie E. Simon (USA, ret)
      WE, Inc., Publishers (c)1971 [great book!]

[2]   _The Guns 1939-45_ by Ian V. Hogg
      Ballentine Books Inc. (c)1970

[3]   _Lost Victories_ by Erich von Manstein
      (Ooops, no data)

[4]   _German Secret Weapons of World War 2_ by I. V. Hogg
      ARCO Publishing Company, Inc. (c)1970



- Jeff
griffenj@ncube.com