newman@frith.egr.msu.edu (Timothy S Newman) (02/04/91)
From: newman@frith.egr.msu.edu (Timothy S Newman) Some reports about the planes fleeing Iraq have mentioned that AWACS planes are included in those which have landed in Iran. Anyone know how, when, and why Iraq got AWACS? Also, what can an AWACS do on the ground; I understand it has some capability while on the ground.
major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) (02/05/91)
From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) > From: newman@frith.egr.msu.edu (Timothy S Newman) > > Some reports about the planes fleeing Iraq have mentioned that AWACS > planes are included in those which have landed in Iran. Anyone > know how, when, and why Iraq got AWACS? I don't believe Iraq has any Boeing E3 AWACS. Currently only the U.S., NATO, and Saudi Arabia have any E3 AWACS. Britain and France will soon start getting theirs. I also don't think they have any E2C Hawkeye's (Navy's mini-AWACS) nor any Soviet Tupolev "Moss" (Soviet's AWACS). So, I don't know what they are talking about. > Also, what can an AWACS do on the ground; I understand it has > some capability while on the ground. The only think AWACS can do on the ground is take up space. For all the electronics on board (especially the radar) to work properly - it must be super-cooled - and the super-cooling only is only initiated at a certain minimum altitude and speed. mike schmitt
tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) (02/05/91)
From: tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) In article <1991Feb4.044954.10294@cbnews.att.com> newman@frith.egr.msu.edu (Timothy S Newman) writes: >Some reports about the planes fleeing Iraq have mentioned that AWACS >planes are included in those which have landed in Iran. Anyone >know how, when, and why Iraq got AWACS? I don't think that the Iraqis use AWACS (The modified 707 the USAF is so proud of) per se, but perhaps a midification of the Soviet IL-76 Mainstay aricraft. Its mission is similar to the E-3A (Correct designatio?), but its capabilities are not as good... -- Capt. Gym Z. Quirk net.terrorist (reformed) | THIS SPACE FOR RENT tkogoma@triton.cirt.unm.edu | (until I can find (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) | a decent quote.)
king@suphys.physics.su.OZ.AU (Peter King) (02/06/91)
From: king@suphys.physics.su.OZ.AU (Peter King) Isn't the Iraqi AWACS mounted on a Il-76 Candid? I seem to recall seeing on some film footage such a plane with Iraqi markings but I'm not 100% sure. -- ************************************************************************************************** Peter King * email: king@alfven.physics.su.oz.au Plasma Physics Department * University of Sydney, NSW 2006. * voice: 61 2 692 3371
larmo@pro-odyssey.cts.com (System Administrator) (02/06/91)
From: larmo@pro-odyssey.cts.com (System Administrator) In-Reply-To: message from newman@frith.egr.msu.edu The AWACS that they are refering to is not the same one developed in the U.S. Any aircraft that can control and survey an airspace can be considered an AWACS. ---- ---- ---- ---- ProLine: larmo@pro-odyssey AOL: ODYSSEY 1 Internet: larmo@pro-odyssey.cts.com Pro-Odyssey: 707/437-4734 ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!larmo@nosc.mil UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!larmo
darragh@maths.tcd.ie (Darragh J. Delany) (02/06/91)
From: darragh@maths.tcd.ie (Darragh J. Delany) In article <1991Feb4.044954.10294@cbnews.att.com> newman@frith.egr.msu.edu (Timothy S Newman) writes: >Some reports about the planes fleeing Iraq have mentioned that AWACS >planes are included in those which have landed in Iran. Anyone >know how, when, and why Iraq got AWACS? Apparently the Iraqis have 2 of these AWACS-like aircraft (or at least 2 are reported to have fled to Iran). The first report on them as far as I can remember was in Janes in '89 where the first one was identified as the Baghdad-1, a commercial airliner converted to carry a certain amount of early warning gear although lacking anywhere near the sophistication of western AWACS. Allowing for the fact that Iraq sent a lot of it's people abroad to train in electronics it would be reasonable to assume they have managed to fabricate some useful equipment for these aircraft. Darragh -=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=- Darragh J. Delany, e-mail: djdelany@vax1.tcd.ie Dept. of Computer Science, djdelany@cs.tcd.ie Trinity College, Dublin, darragh@maths.tcd.ie Rep. of Ireland, EC phone: 01-851048 -=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=--=*=- "Sweaty Snugglebunnies do it better"
alfalfa@hardy.u.washington.edu (Corey Lawson) (02/06/91)
From: alfalfa@hardy.u.washington.edu (Corey Lawson) Hmm... Well, before this all started, Iraqi TV showed a "Moss" being flown in to their country. It's probably junk now, or in Iran... -alfalfa@milton.u.washington.edu
jfb@ihlpm.att.com (Joseph F Baugher) (02/07/91)
From: jfb@ihlpm.att.com (Joseph F Baugher) In article <1991Feb5.034529.861@cbnews.att.com>, bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) writes: > I don't believe Iraq has any Boeing E3 AWACS. Currently only the U.S., > NATO, and Saudi Arabia have any E3 AWACS. Britain and France will soon > start getting theirs. > > I also don't think they have any E2C Hawkeye's (Navy's mini-AWACS) nor > any Soviet Tupolev "Moss" (Soviet's AWACS). So, I don't know what > they are talking about. The Iraqi AWACS aircraft in question is the Ilyushin IL-76 Mainstay, a version of the IL-76 Candid four-engine military jet transport operated by the Soviet Air Force. The Candid is roughly the Soviet equivalent of the Lockheed C-141 Starlifter and has essentially the same configuration as its American counterpart (high wing, four engines in individual underwing pods, high horizontal tail, etc). The Mainstay differs from the Candid by having a large saucer-shaped housing for a radar antenna mounted high above the top of the fuselage. I rememeber reading that the Iraqis acquired two Mainstays from the Soviets. One was destroyed in the initial attack of Desert Storm, the other has fled to Iran. Joe Baugher ************************************** ihlpm!jfb Who, me? Speak for AT&T? Surely you jest! jfb200@cbnewsd.att.com