[sci.military] F-4 acceleration

brett@tle.enet.dec.com (Bevin Brett) (02/11/91)

From: brett@tle.enet.dec.com (Bevin Brett)
A recent posting badly overstated the acceleration capabilities of an F-4.

The info available in such texts as Klaus Huenecke's "Modern Combat Aircraft
Design" show that an F-4C/D, at 35000 ft, will take 10 min's to go from M=1.0 to
M=1.8, at about 45000 initial lbs weight.  If you start off with the plane as
light as possible, then you may be able to get it down to 4 mins.

Furthermore if you are really interested in avoiding SAM's, then you'll keep
your airspeed down (a) below M=0.95, and (b) below 450 Kts CAS - otherwise you
won't be able to turn fast enough and its lead-pursuit guidance system will
guarantee that it hits you.  An F-4's max-G's "pullable" drop hit "pilot-
limited" (9-12 G) at around 360-450 kts CAS, but drop to 3 G's as you go
through M=1.0.

Now, these are level flight, if you went ballastic downwards then you may be
able to do it in under a minute - but I think you'll find that you'll get too
low to get much above M=1.5.


A little bit of physics will show that doing this "in seconds" is something
missiles, not aeroplanes, do.

Consider that M=1.0 corresponds to about 340 metres-per-second at sea-level,
300 mps at 30_000 ft.  So to go from M=1.0 to M=2.0 you have to accelerate
about 300 mps, which even at 1G=10mps2 will take you 30s.  But no plane has
that kind of excess thrust after coping with drag.  Now, a Sidewinder goes
from M=1.0 to about M=2.5 in about 3-6 seconds .. not bad.  And a bullet
does it before it leaves the barrel!  Some missiles hit as much as
100G's during the launch...


/Bevin