jackson@ttidcc.tti.com (Dick Jackson) (02/04/91)
From: jackson@ttidcc.tti.com (Dick Jackson) I seems to remember that Israel used remotely piloted aircraft to good effect during their last war. Does the "good guy alliance" have a drone capability? I haven't heard of their use in Iraq, what is the effect range of such things, and what can they do besides reconaissance? Dick Jackson
deichman@cod.nosc.mil (Shane D. Deichman) (02/06/91)
From: deichman@cod.nosc.mil (Shane D. Deichman) >From: jackson@ttidcc.tti.com (Dick Jackson) > > >I seems to remember that Israel used remotely piloted aircraft to good >effect during their last war. Does the "good guy alliance" have a drone >capability? I haven't heard of their use in Iraq, what is the effect >range of such things, and what can they do besides reconaissance? > Yes, the Israelis used drones very effectively in the Yom Kippur War in 1973. I believe one of the configurations was sending up a drone with a radar reflector on it (perhaps even an IFF transmitter) and flying it into Syrian airspace. When the Syrian SAM radars lit up to track the "ingressing fighter," other drones intercepted the signals and relayed the SAM posits to Israeli arty. So much for Syrian air defenses.... As for the present conflagration, I read this morning that drones were used by Big Mo to guide her Yugo-sized projectiles onto the command bunkers in Kuwait. After impact, the drones provided damage assessment to allied personnel. -shane |\/\/\/\/| | | "Big guns, dude!" | | | (o o) / c _) / | ,____/ | / /______\
jokim@jarthur.Claremont.edu (John H. Kim) (02/07/91)
From: "John H. Kim" <jokim@jarthur.Claremont.edu> In article <1991Feb4.063356.20176@cbnews.att.com> jackson@ttidcc.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes: > >I seems to remember that Israel used remotely piloted aircraft to good >effect during their last war. Does the "good guy alliance" have a drone >capability? I haven't heard of their use in Iraq, what is the effect >range of such things, and what can they do besides reconaissance? I saw some Gulf war video last night of a drone landing on what looked like a carrier deck. It was almost comical to see something that small landing on a huge deck. Everything you wanted to know about missiles and drones of all types is put out in an annual issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology. -- John H. Kim | (This space to be filled when I jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu | think of something very clever uunet!jarthur!jokim | to use as a disclaimer)
jmc@DEC-Lite.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) (02/07/91)
From: jmc@DEC-Lite.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
In article <1991Feb6.030000.18666@cbnews.att.com> deichman@cod.nosc.mil (Shane D. Deichman) writes:
Yes, the Israelis used drones very effectively in the Yom Kippur War
in 1973.
I believe this was the 1982 Peace-for-Galilee war. Are the current
U.S. Navy drones made in Israel? I'm sure the press briefings would
consider it untactful to mention the fact - especially if manufacturer's
representatives were on hand to advise on maintenance. What other
Israeli manufactured equipment is in use?herrickd@uunet.UU.NET (daniel lance herrick) (02/09/91)
From: abvax!iccgcc.DNET!herrickd@uunet.UU.NET (daniel lance herrick) In article <1991Feb7.020420.4262@cbnews.att.com>, jmc@DEC-Lite.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes: > Are the current > U.S. Navy drones made in Israel? About two years ago I saw two issues of a "controlled circulation" (means free to qualified subscribers) magazine about defense R & D. There was a man with a regular column who was scathing in his comparison of the Israeli and Pentagon approaches to remotely piloted aircraft. He wrote that the Israelis went to a model manufacturer and bought model airplanes with beefed up payloads at a few hundred dollars each. They then added a few thousand dollars worth of electronics to have remotely piloted war plane. On the other hand, according to this writer, the US approach was to go to the manufacturers of current manned aircraft to get scaled down models at a few million dollars a pop. I doubt we are using their drones directly. dan herrick herrickd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard) (02/12/91)
From: lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard) In article <1991Feb9.033759.4862@cbnews.att.com> abvax!iccgcc.DNET!herrickd@uunet.UU.NET (daniel lance herrick) writes: >He wrote that the Israelis went to a model manufacturer and bought >model airplanes with beefed up payloads at a few hundred dollars >each. They then added a few thousand dollars worth of electronics >to have remotely piloted war plane. >I doubt we are using their drones directly. I heard the Wisconsin's drone referred to as a Israeli Pioneer. For some reason, the Navy chose not to put this in their press releases. :-) It certainly looks, and sounds (buzzzzz.....) like a scaled up model airplane, and the landing system is refreshingly plain. I have a feeling that any US system would have something more elaborate than flying into a net. -- Laura Burchard lhb6v@virginia.edu lhb6v@virginia.bitnet #inc <std.disclaimer> The fact is that one side thinks that the profits to be won outweigh the risks to be incurred, and the other side is ready to face danger than accept an immediate loss. --Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War
cac@druco.ATT.COM (Curtis A. Conkey) (02/12/91)
From: cac@druco.ATT.COM (Curtis A. Conkey)
in article <1991Feb9.033759.4862@cbnews.att.com<, abvax!iccgcc.DNET!herrickd@uunet.UU.NET (daniel lance herrick) says:
< He wrote that the Israelis went to a model manufacturer and bought
< model airplanes with beefed up payloads at a few hundred dollars
< each. They then added a few thousand dollars worth of electronics
< to have remotely piloted war plane.
< On the other hand, according to this writer, the US approach was to
< go to the manufacturers of current manned aircraft to get scaled
< down models at a few million dollars a pop.
I remember seeing a TV (PBS??) show some years back that related the
same experience. The Israelis developed a real basic aircraft at
nominal cost while the US spent 10's of millions of dollars trying
to develop a Cadillac version. From the report they weren't having much
luck.
CurtisLNF@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (02/13/91)
From: <LNF@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> On TV the other night they showed a drone being landed in a net on one of the battlewagons. Larry
kpt@uunet.UU.NET (Kevin Tyson) (02/14/91)
From: ibism!condor!kpt@uunet.UU.NET (Kevin Tyson) |> < He wrote that the Israelis went to a model manufacturer and bought |> < model airplanes with beefed up payloads at a few hundred dollars |> < each. They then added a few thousand dollars worth of electronics |> < to have remotely piloted war plane. |> |> < On the other hand, according to this writer, the US approach was to |> < go to the manufacturers of current manned aircraft to get scaled |> < down models at a few million dollars a pop. You are referring, I believe, to the Aquilla system. The Marines however have recently aquired a system very similar to the Israeli system. It is a highly stable, easy to fly model airplane outfitted with a CCD camera and RF modem. It displays it's pictures on an STD bus 80286 using a VGA card. Truly designed for operation by Americans, to land this craft one presses the button marked land, which cut's the power and causes the craft to glide to the ground. I think the entire system is manufactured in the US with a unit price of approximately $5000. -- Kevin P. Tyson Phone: 212-657-5928 Fax: 212-825-8607 IISA c/o Citibank E-Mail: uunet!ibism!kpt 111 Wall Street New York, NY 10043