cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) (02/09/91)
From: cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) Could someone tell the distiction between warrent officers and "regular" officers? Thanks... Barry... -- Barry Johnson cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu Consulting & Technical Services Standard disclaimer about me, my Clemson University employer, beliefs, etc...
major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) (02/12/91)
From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) > From: cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) > Could someone tell the distiction between warrent officers and "regular" > officers? Simple distinction: Officers are commissioned. Warrant Officers are appointed. In rank order Warrants are below second lieutenants and 'above' sergeants major. In theory, Warrants are 'technicians'. Most Warrants are helicoptor pilots, maintenance officers, intelligence (order of battle, interrogators, photo interpreters, counterintelligence), and Military Police investigators and criminal investigators (CID). Almost all come up through the enlisted ranks - the majority put in for warrant appointment when they are Staff Sergeants (E6) with about 10 years service. Helicoptor pilots are a little different - they go through "Warrant Officer Candidate" flight school after joining the service. Warrants cannot 'command' but they can supervise other technicians. They wear the basic uniform of an officer (silver bar with black squares, black stripe on pants and sleeve), they are saluted by enlisted people, addressed as 'sir' by subordinates and 'mister' by seniors. Their service cap has gold braid and they wear a unique warrant officer insignia - eagle surrounded by a wreath - as a cap device and collar insignia. Warrant Officer 1 (WO1) "Wobbly One" Silver bar - one black square Chief Warrant Officer 2 (CWO2) "Chief" Silver bar - two black squares Chief Warrant Officer 3 (CWO3) "Chief" Silver bar - three black squares Chief Warrant Officer 4 (CWO4) "Chief" Silver bar - four black squares [did they ever institute the Master Chief Warrant 5?????) ----- Once, when I promoted one of my photo interpreter warrants to CWO4, with 28 years of army service, I commented - "Gee, Chief, one more promotion you'll be a second lieutenant!!!" I thought he was going to kill me. ---- Other services had warrants in technical fields but I heard a while back that they are phasing them out - anybody add anything about Air Force, Marine, Navy warrant officers? mike schmitt
jln@elaine37.stanford.edu (Jared Nedzel) (02/13/91)
From: jln@elaine37.stanford.edu (Jared Nedzel) In article <1991Feb12.015621.11055@cbnews.att.com> bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) writes: > Other services had warrants in technical fields but I heard a while back > that they are phasing them out - anybody add anything about Air Force, > Marine, Navy warrant officers? My cousin is a WO-2 in the Marine Corps. He tells me that they have 4 levels of warrant officer: WO-1 through WO-4. As you describe, he was appointed to WO-1 from Staff Sergeant. He is a navigation instructor for KC-130s. The warrant officer ranks are small and getting smaller (I believe that he told me the Corps is no longer appointing warrant officers). There are a couple of advantages to being a warrant officer. First, the pay is similar to officers pay, with WO-4 approaching colonels pay. Second, my cousin reports that there is less politics within the warrant officers ranks than in either the non-com or officers ranks. Perhaps it comes from there being less warrant officers and from the warrant officers typically being assigned to more specialized duties. -- Jared L. Nedzel --------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: nedzel@cive.stanford.edu jln@portia.stanford.edu
scw@ollie.SEAS.UCLA.EDU (02/13/91)
From: scw@ollie.SEAS.UCLA.EDU In article <1991Feb12.015621.11055@cbnews.att.com> bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) writes: > >> ...] the distiction between warrent officers and "regular" officers? > > Simple distinction: Officers are commissioned. Warrant Officers are > appointed. In rank order Warrants are below second lieutenants and > 'above' sergeants major. Officially ^^^, in reality the ranks run something like: general...major, Sgt Major/Master Gunnery Sgt, Gunner (Warrant Officers in the Marines are ALWAYS called Gunner, even though there are only 3 'Gunners' -One Per Artillery Regt- in the Corps), Capt, 1st Lt, Master/First Sgt, 2nd Lt, remaining enlisted. > In theory, Warrants are 'technicians'. Most Warrants are helicoptor > pilots, [...] investigators (CID). > > Almost all come up through the enlisted ranks - the majority put in for > warrant appointment when they are Staff Sergeants (E6) with about 10 > years service. Helicoptor pilots are a little different - they go through > "Warrant Officer Candidate" flight school after joining the service. Marine Corps pilots are all officers (I think that the last enlisted pilot retired in the early 70's), I knew a Gunnery Sgt that was a C-130 Navigator back in 68/69 or there abouts. Typically Marine Warrant officers are E-7/8 when they are appointed, but I knew 2 E-5s that applied for and were accepted into warrant rank, both from the 2 shop. > Warrants cannot 'command' but they can supervise other technicians. > They wear the [...] wreath - as a cap device and collar insignia. In the Marine Corps Warrant officers are address by all and sundry as Gunner. Marine Gunners wear a special device on their collar, a 'flaming onion'. > Warrant Officer 1 (WO1) "Wobbly One" Silver bar - one black square >[...] > Chief Warrant Officer 4 (CWO4) "Chief" Silver bar - four black squares I seem to recall that there are silver/gold bars with 1/2 Red squares (Black for the Army, blue for Navy/AF) WO-1 Gold 1sq, W0-2 Gold 2 Sq, WO3 silver 1 Sq W04- Silver 2 Sq. ----- Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASNET; 2567 BH;LA CA 90024; (213)-825-8614 UUCP: ...{ibmsupt,hao!cepu}!ollie}!scw Internet:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU "Non, je ne regrette rien"--1st Para, LE 1963
ptm@jake.tmc.edu (Peter T. Murphy) (02/14/91)
From: ptm@jake.tmc.edu (Peter T. Murphy)
The most current instruction that I've seen in the Navy concerning
Warrents notes
that there are no W-1s being made in the Navy at this time. People go
from E6 to CWO-2.
The insignia of warrent officers differs between the braches of
service. A recent
poster offered a Hypercard stack of rank insignia, which shows the
differences in warrent insignia.
The best part of being a warrent is that you have most of the
privileges of a commission and most of the responsibility of an enlisted.major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) (02/15/91)
From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) > From: jln@elaine37.stanford.edu (Jared Nedzel) > ..........................................................There are > a couple of advantages to being a warrant officer. First, the pay is > similar to officers pay, with WO-4 approaching colonels pay. Not really - here's some examples: WO2 over 10 years service = $1988 monthly pay Captain over 10 = $2866 -------------------------------------------------- WO4 over 20 = $2979 Colonel over 20 = $4584 For comparison: "Junior" Grades: Private $ 753 WO1 $1288 Second Lieutenant $1444 "Senior" Grades: General +28 = $8441 WO4 +28 = $3318 Sergeant Major +28 = $2910 [anyone interested I can post the Active Duty Military Pay Table - but it's all based on grade and time-in-service] No, I am not a recruiter...... :-) mike schmitt
dmason@ecs.umass.edu (02/15/91)
From: dmason@ecs.umass.edu In article <1991Feb12.015621.11055@cbnews.att.com>, bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) writes: > From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) > >> From: cyclist@hubcap.clemson.edu (Barry Johnson) >> Could someone tell the distiction between warrent officers and "regular" >> officers? > > In rank order Warrants are below second lieutenants and > above sargeants major. (much correct information deleted) Ummm, as far as I was told, through out my training at Beautiful Fort Benning, Ga ITC, Warrant Officers are equal to regular officers as shown below: Chief Warrant Officer 4 == Major O-4 Chief Warrant Officer 3 == Captain 0-3 Chief Warrant Officer 2 == 2nd Lieutenant Then again, we don't have WO's in a Rifle Company in the Infantry, so that's one less person to salute. Don Mason/ College of Engineering/ University of Massachusetts/Amherst
gjw@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Mr Garry J. Wardrope) (02/15/91)
From: "Mr Garry J. Wardrope" <gjw@cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Officers and Rates follow two compleatly different career structures. One does not naturally lead on to the other. As far a the Royal Navy goes when you reach the rank of Chief Petty Officer there was the rate of Fleet Chief Petty Officer now known as Warrent Officer (it always was equivalent to army warrent officer ) Few people reach this position, only the very best. They command a great deal of respect from officers and men alike. There is of course the possability of being commisioned and put on the Special Duty List (SD) Pay on the SD list is higher than other lists. This of course also involves a change in lifestiles moving from ones mess to the wardroom - not favoured by all. The way it actually works is realy quite complex, its one of these things that has evolved and is full of tradition. To try and sumarise I'll use a diagram. Officers Men X X X X X X X X X X X X X The idea is it shows roughly equivalent levals of seniority. Technically of course the men ar always below the officers, but in technical matters not many people would listen to the Suby rather than the WO. Incedently WO in the Royal Navy are traditionally afforded the mork of respect by being refered to as 'mister' rather than 'warrent officer'. Hope this hasn't confused the issue. -- Mail: Garry Wardrope, Computing Science Dept., Tel: (041) 339 8855 x5322 Glasgow Univ., 17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK. ARPA: gjw%cs.glasgow.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk USENET: gjw@cs.glasgow.uucp JANET:gjw@uk.ac.glasgow.cs useBANGnet: ...mcsun!ukc!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!gjw