henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (02/20/91)
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >From: Adrian Hurt <adrian@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk> >... I have seen film of an A-10 with at >least one Sidewinder. Buccaneers have also appeared on TV carrying AIM-9's, >as have Jaguars. The Jaguar has its Sidewinders above the wings! The above-wing Sidewinder mount for Jaguars actually was tested some years ago, but I don't think the RAF or lAdlA Jaguars were fitted with it at the time. It isn't as odd as it sounds, because the Sidewinder ignites while still on the rail (unlike some other missiles which ignite after release), so there is no particular reason why the rail has to be on the underside of the aircraft. The original Sidewinder-armed aircraft, the Crusader, carried its Sidewinders on its fuselage sides. In recent years people have started to come around to the idea that even the mud-moving specialists could do with self-defence capability, instead of having to rely on the wild-blue-yonder types who are probably off somewhere else anyway. So there has been some interest in putting lightweight AAMs onto mounts that don't take up a regular payload pylon. -- "Read the OSI protocol specifications? | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology I can't even *lift* them!" | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) (02/21/91)
From: bcstec!shuksan!major@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Schmitt) > From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) > In recent years people have started to come around to the idea that even the > mud-moving specialists could do with self-defence capability, instead of > having to rely on the wild-blue-yonder types who are probably off somewhere > else anyway. So there has been some interest in putting lightweight AAMs > onto mounts that don't take up a regular payload pylon. The Army's Chaparral fires a Sidewinder 1C modifed for ground launch. The Chaparral is mounted on a full tracked carrier (M113 variant). The turret-pedastal carries four ready-missiles. The system, fielded in 1969, is found in the Air Defense Battalion of a division - and is usually employed in composite batteries with the Vulcan airdefense gun. Apparently, other SAM systems in the hands of the Army, like Stingers, were developed with their own missile - not a modified AAM. mike schmitt "WEAPONS FREE"
geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) (02/21/91)
From: geoffm@EBay.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) In article <1991Feb20.053506.981@cbnews.att.com> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >The original Sidewinder-armed aircraft, the Crusader, carried its >Sidewinders on its fuselage sides. The Sidewinder was fired from F-86s during the Korean War, long before the entry into service of the F8U Crusader. Geoff -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Geoff Miller + + + + + + + + Sun Microsystems geoffm@purplehaze.EBay.sun.com + + + + + + + + Milpitas, California -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
wolit@mhuxd.att.com (Jan I Wolitzky) (02/23/91)
From: wolit@mhuxd.att.com (Jan I Wolitzky) In article <1991Feb20.053506.981@cbnews.att.com>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > In recent years people have started to come around to the idea that even the > mud-moving specialists could do with self-defence capability, instead of > having to rely on the wild-blue-yonder types who are probably off somewhere > else anyway. So there has been some interest in putting lightweight AAMs > onto mounts that don't take up a regular payload pylon. When an AIM-9 is mounted on something that doesn't move very fast, like a helo, VTOL, or truck (i.e., as an MIM-72 Chaparral), those clever little airstream driven-gyros in the rollerons on the tail fins aren't spinning at launch time. How does the missile maintain roll control before it gets up to speed and overcomes the inertia of these gyros? -- Jan Wolitzky, AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, NJ; 908 582-2998 att!mhuxd!wolit or jan.wolitzky@att.com (Affiliation given for identification purposes only) Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (02/26/91)
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) >From: wolit@mhuxd.att.com (Jan I Wolitzky) >When an AIM-9 is mounted on something that doesn't move very fast, ... >those clever little airstream driven-gyros in the rollerons on the tail fins >aren't spinning at launch time. How does the missile maintain roll >control before it gets up to speed and overcomes the inertia of these >gyros? There may be some clever solution to this, but my first reaction is "maybe it doesn't have to". There really isn't any need to prevent rolling altogether; the requirement is simply that roll rate not get high enough to foul up the pitch/yaw guidance. It may be that the rollerons are operational before the roll rate can get too bad. -- "Read the OSI protocol specifications? | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology I can't even *lift* them!" | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry