[sci.military] Carrier complement

R2RS1%AKRONVM@vm1.cc.UAKRON.EDU (Suku) (03/18/91)

From:         Suku <R2RS1%AKRONVM@vm1.cc.UAKRON.EDU>

What factors govern the aircraft mix in a Carrier's complement. If the
mission of the carrier is area superiority, would'nt a complement of
multirole aircraft like the F-18 Hornet do for air defence, air superiority
and attack. Why F-14s, F-18s, A6s, A7s, and so on. If the 70 or so
--combat aircraft-- on a Nimitz class carrier (excluding recon, AEW,
elec warfare, anti-sub, and elint types) were all the same type of
aircraft would'nt the air ops commander have the flexibility to commit
any number of aircraft on any type of mission - air defence or strike ?
Also I guess it would reduce headaches of parts inventories and
ground staff trained to service different types of aircraft.

Could anybody throw any light on this ?

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tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) (03/19/91)

From: tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Well, trying to get an F/A-18 to perform the same role as either an
F-14 or A-6 would be a problem.  Because these aircraft are
"specialists", they can do their jobs *very* well.  The Hornet can't
cut it in all-wether, day/night strike missions.  Furthermore, It
can't use Phoenixes.

Are there any CVs out there still using A-7s?   I thought that thye
were replaced in favor of the F/A-18...

maarrrk@gauss.ucsb.edu (Mark Erickson) (03/20/91)

From: maarrrk@gauss.ucsb.edu (Mark Erickson)

In article <1991Mar18.003254.22730@cbnews.att.com> R2RS1%AKRONVM@vm1.cc.UAKRON.EDU (Suku) writes:
>
>What factors govern the aircraft mix in a Carrier's complement. If the
>mission of the carrier is area superiority, would'nt a complement of
>multirole aircraft like the F-18 Hornet do for air defence, air superiority
>and attack. Why F-14s, F-18s, A6s, A7s, and so on.

	The F/A-18 is multirole, but it really is a case of 
	"jack of all trades, master of none."

	The F-14 has better radar for air-superiority missions,
	the A-6 has two people and more black boxes for 
	bad weather, etc.

	The Navy is looking at F-14 variants as attack aircraft
	(so said Aviation Week), so maybe we'll see some sort
	of improved commonality....

--maarrrk

tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude)) (03/21/91)

From: tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude))
In article <1991Mar19.044523.8945@cbnews.att.com> tkogoma%triton.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
> Are there any CVs out there still using A-7s? I thought that they
> were replaced in favor of the F/A-18...

It is true that the A-7 in the Navy is being replaced by the F/A-18, 
but that replacement process is not complete. As of two months ago,
the JFK still flew the A-7. Just after the air war started, you could
see A-7s launching from the JFK's catapults on CNN.

-ted

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henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (03/23/91)

From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
>From:         Suku <R2RS1%AKRONVM@vm1.cc.UAKRON.EDU>
>... would'nt a complement of
>multirole aircraft like the F-18 Hornet do for air defence, air superiority
>and attack. Why F-14s, F-18s, A6s, A7s, and so on. If the 70 or so
>--combat aircraft-- on a Nimitz class carrier (excluding recon, AEW,
>elec warfare, anti-sub, and elint types) were all the same type of
>aircraft would'nt the air ops commander have the flexibility to commit
>any number of aircraft on any type of mission - air defence or strike ?

The trouble is that multipurpose aircraft usually don't do any specific
job nearly as well as specialists do.  The F-18 is a reasonably good
air-superiority fighter, but it is distinctly inferior to the F-14 as an
air-defence interceptor due to a smaller load of less-capable missiles,
and it is grossly inferior to the A-6 or A-7 as a subsonic bomber due to
the compromises needed to make it a good supersonic fighter.  The USN
has a long history of insisting on different aircraft for the fighter
and bomber roles, and has benefitted a lot from this.
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anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (03/25/91)

From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1991Mar23.061744.5212@amd.com> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
:The F-18 is [...]
:grossly inferior to the A-6 or A-7 as a subsonic bomber due to
                                ^^^
Are you sure about this, I am sure I read somewhere that the F-18 has
a bigger payload then the A-7 ?

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