[sci.military] U.S. Allies

jem3@pyuxf.bellcore.com (John E McKillop) (03/29/91)

From: jem3@pyuxf.bellcore.com (John E McKillop)

The following is from an article in the March 24th edition of the New 
York Times.

Cooperation between U.S. forces and their Allies (???) in the Gulf
dissolved at key points only to be quickly and quietly patched up by 
high-level compromises, battleground improvisation and a bit of good 
fortune. Examples abound:

- Britain insisted on breaking away its armored forces from the U.S. 
Marines to join U.S. Army troops on the Saudi border for the main 
flanking attack. Exasperated American field commanders had to redraw 
battle plans to accommodate the change.

-France refused early in the crisis to give its coalition partners 
information about the frequency and technical capabilities of radar-
jamming pods on French-made Iraqi Mirage jets. U.S. Air Force planners 
dropped the issue to avoid a messy political confrontation.

-As the ground offensive drew near, Syria expressed ambivalence about 
joining the armored thrust into Kuwait. Trying to cope with this, and 
anticipating problems resupplying Syria's Soviet-made equipment, U.S. 
planners accorded the forces a backup role.

-Saudi Arabia initially refused to allow U.S. officials to interview 
captured Iraqi prisoners-of-war because Riyadh considered them "guests" 
and "fellow Arab brothers."

-Egyptian, Saudi and Kuwaiti forces west of the U.S. Marines along the 
Saudi border with Kuwait were slow to adjust to an accelerated ground 
offensive after leading Marine units advanced faster than expected 
through Iraqi fortifications. This left the Marines with an exposed left
flank.

-Britain had five minesweepers clearing lanes off Kuwait, but London 
threatened to pull out the vulnerable wooden-hulled vessels unless the 
U.S. guaranteed more protection. American radar-jamming planes and U.S. 
Navy attack jets were diverted from other missions to cover the lightly-
armed U.S. and British minesweepers.

-The navies of some countries wanted to operate in the Persian Gulf; 
others only in the Red Sea. Some governments allowed their ships to fire
warning shots; others did not. Some countries permitted their crews to 
board suspicious vessels; others did not.

-The initial role for Syrian forces was to guard the U.S. Marines' rear 
flank in Saudi Arabia during the opening stages of the ground war. Only 
days before the war did the Syrians indicate a willingness to enter 
Kuwaiti territory.
 
-The Egyptians, trained in rigid Soviet-style tactics, were slow to
respond to an accelerated attack timetable on the first day of the 
ground war.

General Schwarzkopf must have had a wonderful time.

The following indicates the forces or medical teams sent to the Gulf 
region by the time the ground war started.

Afghanistan: 300 ground troops
Argentina: One frigate and one corvette
Australia: One guided-missile destroyer, one frigate and a support ship
Bangladesh: 2,000 ground trops
Belgium: Two minehunters and a support ship
Britain: 43,000 troops plus Army, Navy and Air Force units
Canada: Three ships and 24 F/A-18s
Czechoslovakia: 200 anti-chemical warfare specialists
Denmark: One corvette
Eqypt: 40,000 ground troops
France: 16,000 troops plus Air Force and Navy units
Greece: One frigate
Gulf countries (Bahrain, Oman, Qatar & United Arab Emirates): 10,000 
  troops; ships and planes
Hungary: Medical personnel
Italy: Ships and planes
Kuwait: 7,000 troops plus A-4 aircraft
Morocco: 1,300 ground troops
Netherlands: Two frigates and a supply ship
New Zealand: Planes
Niger: 500 ground troops
Norway: One coast guard ship
Pakistan: 11,000 ground troops
Philippines: Medical personnel
Poland: Two rescue ships
Romania: Medical team and anti-chemical warfare specialists
Saudi Arabia: 118,000 troops; planes
Spain: One frigate and two corvettes
Senegal: 500 ground troops
Sierra Leone: 30 Medical personnel
Singapore: Medical team
South Korea: Planes
Sweden: Field hospital and medical personnel
Syria: 15,000 ground troops
United States: MOre than 540,000 troops; Army Marines, Navy and Air
  Force

Where were the Germans and Japanese????????

	[Sitting at home the way the constitutions we wrote for them
	 following WW II forced them to. 
	 
	 Let me caution everyone that sci.military covers ONLY the
	 technical aspects of warfare; I'm letting this through as
	 representative of command & control difficulties in 
	 alliances, but if you must followup keep it technical!
	 Political discussions shoudl go into alt.desert-storm.
	 -- CDR]

pjj@cs.man.ac.uk (Pete Jinks) (04/05/91)

From: Pete Jinks <pjj@cs.man.ac.uk>

>From: jem3@pyuxf.bellcore.com (John E McKillop)

>- Britain insisted on breaking away its armored forces from the U.S. 
>Marines to join U.S. Army troops on the Saudi border for the main 
>flanking attack.

I assumed that the major allied dispositions were sensible, i.e. roughly:
	light, fast troops (french, airmobile etc.) as flankguard
	heavy troops (US & UK armour etc.) in the flanking attack
	lighter, slower troops (arab etc.) diversionary move into Kuwait
		(I realise this was also political)
	marines keeping contact with the coast
Given allied military intelligence, was there genuine danger of the marines
coming under heavy armoured attack? Would they have had difficulty coping e.g.
did they get seriously bogged down at Kuwait airport? How important was this
compared to ensuring the success of the flank attack? Did UK armour cause
other problems (eg. mixed supply, identification) that would have been
lessened if they had stuck with the marines?

>-Britain had five minesweepers clearing lanes off Kuwait, but London 
>threatened to pull out the vulnerable wooden-hulled vessels unless the 
>U.S. guaranteed more protection. American radar-jamming planes and U.S. 
>Navy attack jets were diverted from other missions to cover the lightly-
>armed U.S. and British minesweepers.

This seems like a good idea, unless taken to excess - the minesweepers were
both important (didn't US ships hit mines?) & vulnerable. You also mention US
minesweepers - did they refuse extra cover as being unnecessary?

Does anyone have any more details on these reports ?