[sci.military] Aaarggh!

jeff@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jeff Nanis) (04/09/91)

From: jeff@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jeff Nanis)


	Like the header says... Folks, take it from someone who has worked
on the Tomahawk cruise missile. There IS NO AIR-LAUNCHED VARIANT!!! Really.
Thus, the A-6E (which can launch smart bombs) cannot launch it. Moving on
to another minor thing, re the S-3, just because it can carry Harpoon (which
just needs externally supplied targeting data, doesn't imply that it can launch
SLAM, which requires the Walleye data-link on the launch aircraft for terminal
guidance prior to IR seeker lock-on.

sdragoo@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Stephen P Dragoo) (04/09/91)

From: sdragoo@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Stephen P Dragoo)


>From: jeff@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jeff Nanis)
>Like the header says... Folks, take it from someone who has worked
>on the Tomahawk cruise missile. There IS NO AIR-LAUNCHED VARIANT!!! Really.
>Thus, the A-6E (which can launch smart bombs) cannot launch it.

Wait a minute!  What happened to MRASM?  I'll admit, they don't call it 
a Tomahawk, but it IS the same missile.  It just doesn't have a nuclear 
capability.  You get your choice of 2 solid warheads(with different guidance
packages), or a submunition dispenser with antirunway bomblets.  It's called
the AGM-109 MRASM(Medium-Range Air-to-Surface Missile).

PTW: What's SLAM?  I've heard of a submarine-launched version of the British 
Blowpipe that's called SLAM(used only by the Israelis), but is this the same
thing?  And why would an AAM need the data link from an ASM?

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rmack@desire.wright.edu (04/10/91)

From: rmack@desire.wright.edu


> From: jeff@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jeff Nanis)
> 	Like the header says... Folks, take it from someone who has worked
> on the Tomahawk cruise missile. There IS NO AIR-LAUNCHED VARIANT!!! Really.

The Tomahawk II or BGM-109 is designed to launch from a variety of environments
including air, ground and sea.  The designation "BGM" itself describes a
guided missile capable of multiple environment launchings.  Although an A-6
is incapable of launching it, the B-52 is quite capable.

Bob Mack

gwh@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) (04/10/91)

From: gwh@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert)


In article <1991Apr9.030305.2122@amd.com> jeff@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (Jeff Nanis) writes:
>	Like the header says... Folks, take it from someone who has worked
>on the Tomahawk cruise missile. There IS NO AIR-LAUNCHED VARIANT!!! Really.
>Thus, the A-6E (which can launch smart bombs) cannot launch it. Moving on
>to another minor thing, re the S-3, just because it can carry Harpoon (which
>just needs externally supplied targeting data, doesn't imply that it can launch
>SLAM, which requires the Walleye data-link on the launch aircraft for terminal
>guidance prior to IR seeker lock-on.

	Hate to correct you, but I've seen a number of the TALCM variant,
being launched from A-6E's and various test aircraft.  Just because you
tomhawks doesnt mean you work on _all_ tomhawks 8-)

	And a nitpick, the SLAM needs the Walleye datalink/guidance pod on
a aircraft, not the launch aircraft.  In fact, they were being launched
by A-6es and guided by A-7s in the Gulf war. (i may have that backwards but
don't think so).

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megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Bikowicz) (04/10/91)

From: megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Bikowicz)


In article <1991Apr10.024411.21061@amd.com> sdragoo@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Stephen P Dragoo) writes:
>PTW: What's SLAM?  I've heard of a submarine-launched version of the British 
>Blowpipe that's called SLAM(used only by the Israelis), but is this the same
>thing?  And why would an AAM need the data link from an ASM?

Standoff Land Attack Missile. It is a land attack missile based on the Harpoon
with a tele-optical seeker. It uses the same basic data-link as the Walleye.

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euming@mrcnext.uiuc.edu (Lee Eu-Ming) (04/11/91)

From: euming@mrcnext.uiuc.edu (Lee Eu-Ming)


sdragoo@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Stephen P Dragoo) writes:
>PTW: What's SLAM?  I've heard of a submarine-launched version of the British 
>Blowpipe that's called SLAM(used only by the Israelis), but is this the same
>thing?  And why would an AAM need the data link from an ASM?

Standoff Land Attack Missile.  Long range missile capable of being launched
by plane #1 outside of enemy territory and guided to target by pilot
on plane #2, somewhere else.  SLAM missiles have a high quality (well,
relatively high quality, considering the circumstances) television camera
to broadcast a 'missile-eye view' to the pilot; these also provided some of
the more spectacular CNN action shots during the Gulf conflict.  Exclusively
Navy, I believe.