jfb@ihlpm.att.com (Joseph F Baugher) (06/03/91)
From: jfb@ihlpm.att.com (Joseph F Baugher) I have a question about the first jet-vs-jet "kill". According to Rene J. Francillon in "Lockheed Aircraft Since 1913", the first jet-vs-jet kill was made on November 7, 1950 when Lt. Russell J. Brown flying an F-80C destroyed a MiG-15 over North Korea. I have heard this story from several other sources as well. However, P. Butowski and J. Miller in "MiG -- A History of the Design Bureau and Its Aircraft" claims that the MiG was the first to draw blood--destroying a single F-80C on November 8, 1950. Which source is correct? Joe Baugher AT&T Bell Laboratories 200 Park Plaza Naperville, Illinois 60566-7050 (708) 713 4548 ihlpm!jfb jfb200@cbnewsd.att.com
U38956%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (06/04/91)
From: <U38956%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> In a REAL technical way (I mean REALLY technical), the first jet-to-jet kill occured at the end of World War II when a British jet (the Gloster Meteor?) flew alongside a German jet bomber, slipped its port wing under the German's starboard wing, then banked hard right. This tipped the German's wing upward so much that it lost control and crashed! Weird, huh? Source: "Fighting Jets" by Time/Life Books. Bones u38956@uicvm.bitnet SN06049110850
dutchman@wpi.WPI.EDU (jonathan) (06/07/91)
From: dutchman@wpi.WPI.EDU (jonathan) In article <1991Jun6.063323.5811@amd.com> U38956%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes: > >In a REAL technical way (I mean REALLY technical), the first jet-to-jet >kill occured at the end of World War II when a British jet (the Gloster >Meteor?) flew alongside a German jet bomber, slipped its port wing ^^^^^^ >under the German's starboard wing, then banked hard right. Though the Germans did have a jet bomber (a Junkers recce/light bomber design, I think), I believe the appropriate reference here is to the jet *bomb*, aka the V1. The story goes that the Meteor's guns jammed, so the pilot found another way to take out V1. -- jonathan drummey dutchman@wpi.wpi.edu
whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) (06/10/91)
From: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) dutchman@wpi.WPI.EDU (jonathan) writes: >Though the Germans did have a jet bomber (a Junkers recce/light bomber >design, I think), The Arado Ar-234, four engine jet bomber. Mostly used for photorecon. Also known as the 'Blitzbomber'. The Allies pretty much gave up trying to shoot them down as they were too fast to catch. -- Hal Heydt Analyst, Pacific*Bell whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM