[sci.military] What is a Carbine

ac579@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu (06/22/91)

From: ac579@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu

What is a Carbine?
 
"Different things to different cultures,
that's what a carbine is!"
 
Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
But it is true that there are many different definitions of
carbine, usually depending on language and even worse,
military culture and definitions.
 
My favorite definition:
 
"A long arm intended to be carried a lot and shot a little."
 
This neatly includes everything from the classic western
(US) .30-30 lever action saddle carbine, from eighty years
of Hollywood movies, which has ridden in scabbards and racks
on horses, cars, motorcycles and pickup trucks from before
the turn of the century to the present, to the Carbine M-1
US issued during WWII and spread all over the world by the
USA after 1945.
 
Some other definitions.
 
A long arm in pistol caliber.
 
This includes the 9mm bolt action rifle issued to Spanish
police and similar equipment issued to the Italian
Carabinari.  This also includes the US lever action guns in
.44-40, .44 Magnum/special, .357 Magnum/.38 Special and
several pump and semi-auto action long arms.
 
A rifle with a short barrel usually issued to cavalry.
 
This has been a common definition in many armies.  The USA
issued such weapons as the Cal. .45-70 Springfield, the
.30-40 Krag, and finally the "Port firing weapon" a cut down
M-16 for use in our latest Bradley M-2 Fighting Vehicle.
 
Some armies, notably the British, issued two kinds of
ammunition.  A reduced load for the carbine.  Army supply
staffs immediately sent carbine ammo to the Infantry and
rifle ammo to the Cavalry.  Which made the Cav troopers sore
in the shoulder and sore because their shots at range went
high.  The infantry liked the recoil, but didn't like seeing
their shots thump into the dirt short of their targets. 
After the Boer War the British placed a STRONG emphasis on
accurate, rapid fire.  So much so that the German Army in
WWI thought the "Old Contemptibles" (British Regular
Infantry) were heavily equipped with machine guns!) 
Therefore the two loads in the same case idea was rapidly
discarded.
 
After, or just before, depending on the army, WWI, most
countries decided that the difference between a rifle and a
carbine when the bullet hit the target didn't matter a rat's
hind end, and they standardized a single barrel length for
all services.  This led to the M1903 US .30-06 Springfield
Rifle, with 24 inch barrel and the German 98k (for kurz, in
English short,  with 23.6 inch barrel, the original rifle
having a 29.1 inch barrel and the original 98 Carbine having
a 16.9 inch barrel.
 
A long arm in a less powerful than rifle, but more powerful
than pistol caliber.
 
This definition includes the prolific US Caliber .30 M1
carbine and the Soviet block SKS in 7.62x39SR.
 
A version of shoulder fired automatic or selective fire
weapon built to fire semiautomatic only.
 
This definition includes the readily available in the US in
some areas.  Assault rifle copies, such as the Colt AR-15, a
semiauto only version of the M-16 series, and many similar
foreign (to the US weapons) another example is the UK
Sterling "Police Carbine" the semiauto version of the
Sterling submachine gun.  Touted as just the thing for the
farmers of Rhodesia to defend their homes against the AK-47
equipped terrorists.  Rhodesia is now communist Zimbabwe,
which I think describes the effectiveness of such devices
adequately.
 
References:  Small Arms of the World 12th Ed., by Smith,
Smith and Ezell and 25 years of National Rifleman, Guns &
Ammo et. al.
 
Jeff Timm
"The opinions expressed are my own, all disclaimers ever
written or spoken by anyone in the universe apply."

military@cbnews (06/25/91)

From: att!bcr!mruxb!patter 
The carbine was originally any long gun specifically designed to
be light enough and short enough to be fired reasonably accurately
from the back of a moving horse.

The distinction has gotten somewhat muddy since calvalry has been
discontinued in the military, and smokeless powder has made it possible
to manufacture weapons light enough to fit the above definition which
are not carbines.