thi@mips2.ma30.bull.com (04/11/91)
From: thi@mips2.ma30.bull.com I think there are four Aegis cruisers operational today with the US Navy. I can only come up with names for three of them (Ticonderoga, Vincennes, Bunker Hill). What is the name of the fourth one? Do the Navy plan to build any more of these super cruisers? Thanks -tt
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) (04/12/91)
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) >I think there are four Aegis cruisers operational today with the US Navy. >I can only come up with names for three of them (Ticonderoga, Vincennes, >Bunker Hill). What is the name of the fourth one? >Do the Navy plan to build any more of these super cruisers? Boy, are you going to be surprised! Actually, there are 15 in service plus 12 under construction. Here they are: Name No Status ----------------- ----- --------- TICONDEROGA CG 47 Comp. YORKTOWN CG 48 Comp. VINCENNES CG 49 Comp. VALLEY FORGE CG 50 Comp. THOMAS S GATES CG 51 Comp. BUNKER HILL CG 52 Comp. MOBILE BAY CG 53 Comp. ANTIETAM CG 54 Comp. LEYTE GULF CG 55 Comp. SAN JACINTO CG 56 Comp. LAKE CHAMPLAIN CG 57 Comp. PHILIPPINE SEA CG 58 Comp. PRINCETON CG 59 Comp. NORMANDY CG 60 Comp. MONTEREY CG 61 Bldg. CHANCELLORSVILLE CG 62 Comp. COWPENS CG 63 Bldg. GETTYSBURG CG 64 Bldg. CHOSIN CG 65 Bldg. HUE CITY CG 66 Bldg. SHILOH CG 67 Bldg. ANZIO CG 68 Bldg. VICKSBURG CG 69 Bldg. LAKE ERIE CG 70 Bldg. CAPE ST GEORGE CG 71 Bldg. VELLA GULF CG 72 Bldg. PORT ROYAL CG 73 Bldg. Note: Comp. - Completed Bldg. - Building The TICONDEROGA class design is a modification of the SPRUANCE class. The same basic hull is used, with the same gas turbine propulsion plant although the overall length is slightly incrased. The design includes Kevlar armour to protect vital spaces. No stablizers. VINCENNES and later ships have a lighter tripod mainmast vice the square quadruped of the first two. An immediate result during TICONDEROGA's first deployment in 1984 was the reduction of combat air patrols because of her success in detecting targets in the vicinity of her task force. Since then, YORKTOWN provided the air-intercept support for Navy fighters intercepting the Egyptian airline carrying the hijackers of the cruise ship ACHILLE LAURO from Egypt to Tunisia. In March and April of 1986, YORKTOWN and VINCENNES were focal points of the successful operations in the Gulf of Sidra which led to the sinking of at least two Libyan patrol boats and of the strike by carrier-based Navy aircraft and shore-based F-111s against Libyan missiles sites and other targets. From the spring of 1987 until the ceasefire in summer 1988 at least one of these ships was in the Gulf area. VINCENNES was again in the news with the misidentification and shooting down of an airliner during a surface engagement with Iranian gunboats. The report of that incident describes the Aegis system as having performed as designed, and the sensor data collected was accurate but it should be appreciated that Aegis is not capable of identifying the type of aircraft being tracked. That decision is still a matter for human judgement. Aegis' major advantages are the extended range ofits sensors, its fast reaction time, the capability to track many targets at once, its ability to send this information automatically to other units, and its data displays which combine sensor information with other inputs and better convey it to the users. Because of its long-range radar, it gives the operators additional time to react, to gather data, and to make considered judgements. Operating close-in to a land-based airfield, however, these advantages can be severely eroded. The most capable platform in the US inventory for handling the anti-ship missile threat is the Aegis cruiser. Source: Jane's Fighting Ships 1990-91
deichman@cod.nosc.mil (Shane D. Deichman) (04/12/91)
From: deichman@cod.nosc.mil (Shane D. Deichman) In article <1991Apr12.054955.13687@amd.com> thi@mips2.ma30.bull.com writes: >I think there are four Aegis cruisers operational today with the US Navy. Au contraire, the Navy presently has 16 operational TICONDEROGA-class Aegis cruisers, with another 12 slated to enter service in the next few years. They are (from CG-47 - CG-73 respectively): [same list as in previous article; thanks. --CDR] Homeports include Norfolk, VA; San Diego, CA; Mayport, FL; Long Beach, CA; and Yokosuka, Japan. Also, CG-74 has yet to be named. >Do the Navy plan to build any more of these super cruisers? Don't know for sure -- maybe not, with the impending defense cuts. Also, the USS ARLEIGH BURKE-class (DDG-51) Aegis Destroyers will be coming on line pretty soon (the ARLEIGH BURKE herself is already operational). Aegis-equipped ships provide the versatility necessary to operate effectively in an ever-changing warfare environment, so they'll be around for a long time. -shane
ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) (04/13/91)
From: Allan Bourdius <ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> >I think there are four Aegis cruisers operational today with the US Navy. >I can only come up with names for three of them (Ticonderoga, Vincennes, >Bunker Hill). What is the name of the fourth one? > >Do the Navy plan to build any more of these super cruisers? A total of 19 Ticonderoga-class, AEGIS equipped CG's are operational or are nearing commission with the USN. They are: [ same list as previous ] In addition, the following [8] units are under construction/authorized: [ ditto ] A further 7 ships are planned, for a grand total of 34 "Tico" class vessels. In addition, the first unit of the AEGIS-equipped destroyer counterpart class, DDG 51 USS Arleigh Burke, was recently commissioned. A total of 13 DDG 51's have been ordered or are under construction/completed and the total construction run is planned to produce 66 vessels. source: Combat Fleets of the World, 1990/91 and Proceedings of the USNI -- Allan Bourdius [MIDN 3/C (Marine Option)/Brother, Phi Kappa Theta Fraternity] ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu or Box 4719, 5125 Margaret Morrison St., Pgh., PA 15213 The contents of this were mine, mine, all mine, got it?!
tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude)) (04/13/91)
From: tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude)) In article <1991Apr12.054955.13687@amd.com> thi@mips2.ma30.bull.com writes: >I think there are four Aegis cruisers operational today with the US Navy. There are considerably more than 4 operational. Currently, I think there are 18 in service. The following information is from Combat Fleets (90-91) and USNI Proceedings (May 89, May 90, Jul 90, Feb 91, Apr 91). [gives additional info so this list stays in --CDR] Laid Down Launched In Service authorized FY 78 CG 47 Ticonderoga (Baseline 0) 21 Jan 80 25 Apr 81 22 Jan 83 authorized FY 80 CG 48 Yorktown 19 Oct 81 17 Jan 83 4 Jul 84 authorized FY 81 CG 49 Vincennes (Baseline 1) 20 Oct 82 14 Jan 84 6 Jul 85 CG 50 Valley Forge 14 Apr 83 23 Jun 84 11 Jan 86 authorized FY 82 CG 51 Thomes S. Gates 31 Aug 84 14 Dec 85 22 Aug 87 CG 52 Bunker Hill (Baseline 2) 11 Jan 84 11 Mar 85 20 Sep 86 CG 53 Mobile Bay 6 Jun 84 22 Aug 85 21 Feb 87 authorized FY 83 CG 54 Antietam 15 Nov 84 14 Feb 86 6 Jun 87 CG 55 Leyte Gulf 18 Mar 85 20 Jun 86 26 Sep 87 CG 56 San Jacinto 22 Jul 85 14 Nov 86 23 Jan 88 authorized FY 84 CG 57 Lake Champlain 3 Mar 86 3 Apr 87 12 Aug 88 CG 58 Phillippine Sea 8 May 86 12 Jul 87 18 Mar 89 CG 59 Princeton (Baseline 3) 15 Oct 86 25 Sep 87 11 Feb 89 authorized FY 85 CG 60 Normandy 7 Apr 87 19 Mar 88 9 Dec 89 CG 61 Monterey 19 Aug 87 23 Oct 88 16 Jun 90 CG 62 Chancellorsville 29 Jun 87 15 Jul 88 4 Nov 89 authorized FY 86 CG 63 Cowpens 23 Dec 87 11 Mar 89 9 Mar 91 CG 64 Gettysburg (Baseline 4) 17 Aug 88 22 Jul 89 CG 65 Chosin 22 Jul 88 1 Sep 89 12 Jan 91 >Does the Navy plan to build any more of these super cruisers? authorized FY 87 CG 66 Hue City 20 Feb 89 24 Mar 90 CG 67 Shiloh 1 Aug 89 CG 68 Anzio 21 Aug 89 authorized FY 88 CG 69 Vicksburg CG 70 Lake Erie CG 71 Cape St. George CG 72 Vella Gulf CG 73 Port Royal Ted Kim Internet: tek@penzance.cs.ucla.edu UCLA Computer Science Department UUCP: ...!{uunet|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!tek 3804C Boelter Hall Phone: (213)206-8696 Los Angeles, CA 90024 FAX: (213)825-2273
zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (04/16/91)
From: zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu I have a couple of questions about the Aegis Cruisers. First, wasn't the Yorktown involved in a "bumping" incident in the Black Sea with a Soviet ship?(in the early 80's) Second of all, aren't the Japanese going to build this system also? If so, how many do they plan on building, are any under construction? And last of all have any other Allies expressed interest in purchasing this system? Thanks, Doc -- U.Wisconsin Milwaukee Major: Political Science
swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) (04/17/91)
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) >First, wasn't the Yorktown involved in a "bumping" incident >in the Black Sea with a Soviet ship?(in the early 80's) Yes. >Second of all, aren't the Japanese going to build this system also? >If so, how many do they plan on building, are any under construction? Japan has strictly a defense navy. According to Jane's Fighting Ships, Japan doesn't have any cruiser in her navy, and there's no plan to build any cruiser. The Japanese Navy is made up mostly of submarines (diesel-electric), destroyers, frigates, and patrol boats. >And last of all have any other Allies expressed interest in purchasing >this system? USS TICONDEROGA cost $930 million in the FY 1978 budget. I don't have the figures for the new TICONDEROGA class ships today, but I believe that you get the idea. Not many countries can afford the price, if any. Steve Williams
tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim) (04/17/91)
From: tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim) >ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) writes: >A further 7 ships are planned, for a grand total of 34 "Tico" class vessels. I believe the class is going to be terminated at 27 units, the last of which were authorized in FY 88. Even with the cutback, the original plan was to tail off gradually (go from 3 down to 2, down to 1 per year). However, congress in FY 88 decided to "buyout" the remainder in one final big buy (5 units) and save some money. -- Ted Kim Internet: tek@penzance.cs.ucla.edu UCLA Computer Science Department UUCP: ...!{uunet|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!tek
tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude)) (04/17/91)
From: tek@CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude)) >zarda@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: >Second of all, aren't the Japanese going to build this system also? >If so, how many do they plan on building, are any under construction? The Japanese are building Aegis destroyers similar to our DDG-51 Arleigh Burke class. >And last of all have any other Allies expressed interest in purchasing >this system? As far as I know, no other allies have any plans to build Aegis ships. Of course, many have plans to deploy new naval AAW systems in the future. However, in general, they are looking to fill a somewhat less demanding role. As far as NATO goes, interest is centered on what to put on the next generation frigates and destroyers. Unfortunately, the NATO frigate project collapsed. So now it looks like, each nation may decide independently. The two main competitors at this point are NAAWS and FAMS. -- Ted Kim Internet: tek@penzance.cs.ucla.edu UCLA Computer Science Department UUCP: ...!{uunet|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!tek
tek@pram.CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude)) (06/27/91)
From: tek@pram.CS.UCLA.EDU (Ted Kim (Random Dude))
For those of you following the Aegis cruiser program, another one
was just commissioned. On 22 June 1991, the Gettysburg (CG-64) was
commissioned at Philadelphia Naval Yard. The Gettysburg is a baseline
four Ticonderoga class Aegis cruiser.
-ted
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