pete@basser.oz (Peter Merel) (10/24/89)
In article <1902@moondance.cs.uq.oz> ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz writes: >I know that just about every woman who has ever experienced it is going to >beleive different, but it really could just be put down to the "Mind over >Matter" arguement. That is, if they beleive it's there, it'll be there. Clever Hans, where are you when we need you? Seriously, I doubt this. Think - if someone told you your navel was the source of dynamite orgasms, would that induce such orgasms from navel stimulation? >In any case, even those in the scientific community (whatever that is) who do >agree about the existance of the G-Spot, in general agree that there is no >physical manifestation like you described in your article. The idea of the >"Road Map" style of description on how to get there is just not accepted at >all (probably because they have never been able to find it in that way). Well, I promised to do some literature searching, so here's what I've found so far. I haven't hit the science citation index yet, so there may be much more to come (as it were). Far and away the best book on orgasms in general is a manual published in 1983 by Alan P. Brauer and Donna Brauer, a pair of psychiatrists and behavioural science people from Stanford. The book is titled "ESO - Extended Sexual Orgasm", and covers much the same approach as I took at the start of this thread, in vastly greater detail. Just about every other popular book on orgasm is listed in their bibliography, so I won't produce them here. I hit the medline archive down in the Bosch medical library, and found a couple of recent pertinent articles. Unfortunately they haven't actually made it into the library, but I can give you the abstracts: From 'The "G spot" and "female ejaculation": a current appraisal.' by H. Alzate, J Sex Marital Ther [J89] 1986 Fall, 12(3), P 211-220: "ABSTRACT ...evidence in support of the "G spot" -- defined as a discrete anatomical structure located on the anterior vaginal wall, which swells upon being tactilely stimulated - is inconclusive ... however, it seems reasonable to accept that women possess a zone of tactile erotic sensitivity on the anterior vaginal wall, which in many of them may extend to the entire anterior wall ... some women emit a fluid through the urethra at orgasm, although its true nature and anatomical origin are still unclear" From 'Vaginal erotic sensitivity by sexological examination.' by Z. Hoch, Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand [1E8] 1986; 65(7): P 767-73 "ABSTRACT ... existance on the anterior vaginal wall of an anatomically clearly definable eroticallly triggering entity ... was refuted. The ENTIRE [my caps] anterior vaginal wall, including the deeper situated urinary bladder, periurethral tissues and Halban's fascia, rather than one specific spot, were found to be erotically sensitive in most of the women examined, and 64% of them learned how to reach orgasm by direct specific digital and/or coital stimulation of this area. All other parts of the vagina had poor erotic sensitivity ... Instead of looking for a 'vaginal (coital orgasm' distinctly different from a 'clitoral orgasm', this concept speaks towards a 'genital orgasm' potentially acheivable by separate or, MOST EFFECTIVELY [my caps], combined stimulation of those different trigger components of the genital sensory arm of the orgasmic reflex." That's the most recent I could find - I'll look a bit more tomorrow. So much for the "anti-penetration stance" ;-) Anyone seen anything more recent? >Anyway, I say again that this is all here-say. I do hope to corner Nikki >after her exams later this year and get a few more answers out of her. >If I manage this I will post the results on. Shabash! Onward and upward :-) -- "A dog don't want a bone / That's why he buries it" - James Brown pete@basser.oz.AU
ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz (Anthony Murdoch) (10/26/89)
pete@basser.oz (Peter Merel) writes: >In article <1902@moondance.cs.uq.oz> ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz writes: >>I know that just about every woman who has ever experienced it is going to >>beleive different, but it really could just be put down to the "Mind over >>Matter" arguement. That is, if they beleive it's there, it'll be there. >Clever Hans, where are you when we need you? Seriously, I doubt this. Think - >if someone told you your navel was the source of dynamite orgasms, would that >induce such orgasms from navel stimulation? Yes, but the point is, which are you more likely to believe. If the person you tried to convince was niave enough, then quite possibly you could get them to orgasm just by playing with their navel ;-} HANG ON, isn't the navel one of the (GOD knows how many) errogenous zones ? If so, then it really depends on exactly how the person feels about you. You may not even have to try to convince her that her navel is going to stimulate her to such an extent. >.... > Lot's of abstracts from articles of interest. >.... Unfortunately I am not prepared to spend the time that you have looking for articles to the contrary. I think however I could find an equally convincing array of articles denying the existance of the G-Spot. It is the same with anything that is not completely understood in science I suppose. I may have a look arround for such articles after this semesters completion. ant | \o/ Anthony Murdoch ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz | -O- ant Dept of Computer Science "It's great to be young and insane" | /0\ University of Queensland - Dream Team
pete@basser.oz (Peter Merel) (10/26/89)
In article <1947@moondance.cs.uq.oz> ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz writes: >pete@basser.oz (Peter Merel) writes: >Unfortunately I am not prepared to spend the time that you have looking for >articles to the contrary. I think however I could find an equally convincing >array of articles denying the existance of the G-Spot. It is the same with >anything that is not completely understood in science I suppose. Read 'em again, ant. Those articles DO deny the existance of a G-spot. If you mean articles denying vaginal erotic sensitivity - I couldn't find any. I still haven't looked up Hoch & Alzate in the SCI, but will do sometime in the next week. For CC: the fluid I observed was clear, more viscous than I would expect urine to be, and without any of the attendant odour of urine. The females in question were healthy specimens as far as they or I know. -- "A dog don't want a bone / That's why he buries it" - James Brown pete@basser.oz.AU
ian@sibyl.eleceng.ua.OZ (Ian Dall) (10/27/89)
-From 'Vaginal erotic sensitivity by sexological examination.' by Z. Hoch,
-Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand [1E8] 1986; 65(7): P 767-73
-"ABSTRACT
-... existance on the anterior vaginal wall of an anatomically clearly definable
-eroticallly triggering entity ... was refuted. The ENTIRE [my caps] anterior
-vaginal wall, including the deeper situated urinary bladder, periurethral
-tissues and Halban's fascia, rather than one specific spot, were found to
So who was Halban and what is his facia? Hmmm... seems more appropriate if it
is HER facia if we are talking about girls naughty bits!
--
Ian Dall life (n). A sexually transmitted disease which afflicts
some people more severely than others. ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz (Anthony Murdoch) (10/30/89)
pete@basser.oz (Peter Merel) writes: >In article <1947@moondance.cs.uq.oz> ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz writes: >>Unfortunately I am not prepared to spend the time that you have looking for >>articles to the contrary. I think however I could find an equally convincing >>array of articles denying the existance of the G-Spot. It is the same with >>anything that is not completely understood in science I suppose. >Read 'em again, ant. Those articles DO deny the existance of a G-spot. If you >mean articles denying vaginal erotic sensitivity - I couldn't find any. I >still haven't looked up Hoch & Alzate in the SCI, but will do sometime in >the next week. Oops, sorry, it has been a tough week. Entertaining a girl you haven't seen in three years for the week before swot vac can be very exhausting (but also very entertaining :') Didn't get the chance to apply any of your experience though :'( | \o/ Anthony Murdoch ant@batserver.cs.uq.oz | -O- ant Dept of Computer Science "It's great to be young and insane" | /0\ University of Queensland - Dream Team