jellinghaus-robert@CS.Yale.EDU (Rob Jellinghaus) (05/26/89)
I will soon be going to Microsoft for the summer, and I will not be
able to access most of the existing newsgroups while there (they have
a very limited news feed). I would particularly not like to miss out
on comp.lang.eiffel. Is it archived anywhere, and could I possibly
obtain a copy of the archive at the end of the summer?
Thanks.
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In article some article Rob Jellinghaus writes: >I will soon be going to Microsoft for the summer, and I will not be >able to access most of the existing newsgroups while there (they have >a very limited news feed). I would particularly not like to miss out >on comp.lang.eiffel. Is it archived anywhere, and could I possibly >obtain a copy of the archive at the end of the summer? Not only do we have a very complete news feed (from uunet) but we archive all the comp news hierarchy. We even read such exciting but hard to find groups as comp.lang.eiffel and comp.lang.smalltalk! :-) As an aside, how well does eiffel co-exist with Microsoft C 5.1? Michael Winser -- /\ no guts michael winser \/ no glory microsoft corp. (206) 882-8080, michaelw@microsoft.uucp
craigs@knuth.UUCP (Craig Statchuk) (06/02/89)
In article <5834@microsoft.UUCP> michaelw@microsoft.UUCP (Michael Winser) writes: > >As an aside, how well does eiffel co-exist with Microsoft C 5.1? > The answer is: NOT VERY WELL. This isn't very surprising considering that MS C lives in a world where "int" is 16 bits and Eiffel likes "int" to be 32 bits. In general, these differences can be handled with judicious use of typedefs and C MACROS. We have successfully ported *small* classes to MSDOS and OS/2 without too much difficulty. Unfortunately, MS C does not perform well with *larger* classes (greater than 50 lines of Eiffel code). It seems that the C Macros generated by pass 4 of Eiffel are too much for MS C to handle. Typically, we get three errors: TEST.C(285) fatal error C1056: compiler limit : out of macro expansion space MAIN.C(1264) fatal error C1002: out of heap space BIG.C(345) compiler limit : macro expansion too big We have successfully compiled the same C code on the SUN, VAX and C370. Only MS C exhibits these shortcomings and according to their Technical Support People, no fixes to these problems are planned. -- Craig Statchuk P.O. Box 9707 UUCP: uunet!mitel!sce!cognos!craigs Cognos Incorporated 3755 Riverside Dr. HUMAN: (613) 738-1440 Ottawa, Ontario "It's what you learn after you FAX: (613) 738-0002 CANADA K1G 3Z4 know it all that counts..."
UH2@PSUVM.BITNET (Lee Sailer) (06/04/89)
In article <6238@knuth.UUCP>, craigs@knuth.UUCP (Craig Statchuk) says: > > . It seems that the C Macros generated by >pass 4 of Eiffel are too much for MS C to handle. Typically, we get I believe that people have the same kind of problem when porting GNU software to other C implementations. I hear that GNU has "solved" the problem by distributing a portable CPP (the pre-processor), and I bet the same thing would work, or at least help ,with Eiffel, too.
tma@mas1.UUCP (Tim Atkins) (06/09/89)
In article <6238@knuth.UUCP> craigs@cognos.UUCP (Craig Statchuk) writes: >In article <5834@microsoft.UUCP> michaelw@microsoft.UUCP (Michael Winser) >writes: >> >>As an aside, how well does eiffel co-exist with Microsoft C 5.1? >> >The answer is: NOT VERY WELL. This isn't very surprising considering ... >Unfortunately, MS C does not perform well with *larger* classes (greater >than 50 lines of Eiffel code). It seems that the C Macros generated by ... I experienced the same problems with Microsoft C when I ported Objective C to OS/2. I ended up porting cpp from PCC to OS/2 to solve the problem. Of course this required a bit of hacking to deal with some of Microsoft's conventions. By the way, does anyone anticipate an OS/2 implementation of Eiffel anytime soon. OOPS is a wide open market in this environment.