[net.auto] Leaded gas and old engines vs. new engines

ix1037@sdccs6.UUCP (Christopher Latham) (07/05/84)

My father being the owner of cars made in the days before all cars were
required to use unleaded gas is somewhat concerned with the upcoming
demise of leaded gas. It could mean a large problem for the valves in
his engines. What he has been wondering is what the difference is
between the valves on old cars which require leaded gas for valve life
to be reasonable and the new cars which run on unleaded gas. Just what
have the auto makers changed to give the same life to engines running on
unleaded gas. Replies by mail would be reatly appreciated.
				Christopher Latham
				U.C.San Diego
				Dept. of Applied Mechanics
				and Engineering Sciences
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wookie@alice.UUCP (07/10/84)

The newer engines use harder valve seat material to prevent
wear which used to be prevented by the lead in the fuel.  One
way to fix the problem is to get heads from a newer engine of
the same type which will have the hard seats.  A side benefit
of this is often a reduction in compression ratio which will
lessen detonation in the old high compression engines..  You
could wait until the engine needs a valve job and either have
hard seats installed in the old heads or go to the junk yard,
pick up a newer set of heads and have them rebuilt instead.

It's interesting that back when they proposed putting lead in
the gas in the first place, one of the big controversies was
how it would affect valve life and leave big deposits on the
valves.  So here we are going the other way!

				Keith Bauer
				White Tiger Racing

haapanen@watdcsu.UUCP (Tom Haapanen [DCS]) (07/11/84)

Says Keith Baker:

> The newer engines use harder valve seat material to prevent
> wear which used to be prevented by the lead in the fuel.  One
> way to fix the problem is to get heads from a newer engine of
> the same type which will have the hard seats.  A side benefit
> of this is often a reduction in compression ratio which will
> lessen detonation in the old high compression engines..  You
> could wait until the engine needs a valve job and either have
> hard seats installed in the old heads or go to the junk yard,
> pick up a newer set of heads and have them rebuilt instead.

A reduction in comnpression ratio (from the head swap) will:
   (1) Lower the performance of the car and/or
   (2) Increase the fuel consumption
due to the decrease in the volumetric efficiency of the engine.

Also, how are you supposed to find new heads for cars that were never
available in unleaded gas-only models?  There is no way I could find
such heads for my '72 Bug around here at least (even though they may
have been available in California).

Tom "flat-six fanatic" Haapanen

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