[net.followup] Interesting seminar

ptc@cybvax0.UUCP (Peter Crames) (03/07/85)

> 	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
> WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!

Out of curiosity, how much do you have to SPEND for this seminar?

Peter Crames	...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!ptc

dbrown@watarts.UUCP (Dave Brown) (03/08/85)

> 
> 	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
> WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!
> 	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
> called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
> THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
> BARE FEET!  The POSSIBILITIES and OPTIONS that this one act releases in an 
> individual are absolutely awesome!  To put the POWER and WORTH of this 
> seminar into perspective I would like to add that the FIREWALKING part of the
> weekend was to me one of the LEAST interesting things that was DISCUSSED, 
> DEMONSTRATED, and PRACTICED.
> 	For further information:
> 	  1) Send MAIL to boulder!UCBACS!CLIPR::BWAGNER for specific questions
> 	  2) Call me at home ANYTIME at (303) 494-0462
> But by far the best way to FIND OUT ABOUT THIS is to arrange to meet me.
> Information of this INTENSITY and IMPORTANCE is best discussed in person.

If you want to proselytize a religion or 
psycho-therapy technique, keep it off net.general!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you realize that thiss self-help technique is more religion than
great and uplifting news.


Sincerely yours,

				DAVE BROWN

******************** GO AHEAD; FLAME ME. MAKE MY DAY***********************

dgary@ecsvax.UUCP (D Gary Grady) (03/08/85)

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A recent posting ejaculates as follows:

> 	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
> called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
> THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
> BARE FEET!  The POSSIBILITIES and OPTIONS that this one act releases in an 
> individual are absolutely awesome!

As eclectic and long-standing readers of this net are aware, the
firewalking phenomenon has been explored by the author of The Flying
Circus of Physics (I believe is name is Jerl Walker, but I may be
mistaken).  Without any deep mental preparation or mystic seminars he
simply ambled across a bed of hot coals in front of his undergraduate
physics class.  He has done this many times (as have many of his
students) and, with the exception of one occasion when he got
overconfident and managed to have a coal stick to his feet, was not
only never burned, but never even felt heat.

There are two theories that attempt to explain this.  One is the
Leidenfrost (sp?) Effect, which suggests that moisture is vaporized to
form an insulating layer of steam on the feet (a similar phenomenon
preserves an ice cube on a very hot skillet).  Another contributing
factor may be the fact that coal has a fairly low heat capacity, and the
heat of vaporization of the water quickly removes the small amount of
heat in the surface layer of the coal being stepped on.  (Evidence that
this is the case is found in the presence of cold footprints seen behind
"firewalkers."

In any event, the fact that dozens of people have done this with no
preparation suggests that there is nothing mystical going on.  So why do
people get as excited as the poster of the piece quoted above and dump
hard-earned money taking classes on how to, in essence, walk across a
room?  The answer is clearly that it surely doesn't SOUND like something
easy to do.  I wonder if a general principle can be distilled from this:

1.  Find out something that sounds difficult and impossible, but which
    is actually quite easy to do.
2.  Charge people money to sit around for days meditating on the subject
    and reminding people that they can back out an any time.  This
    builds the notion that they are about to do something wonderful.
3.  At the end of a few days, have them do it.  They will love you for
    it and send all their friends.

I would appreciate 1/10 of 1 percent of all monies you make applying
these principles.  Thank you.

(By the way, all my computer students leave class knowing how to tear a
telephone directory in half.  At least they learn SOMETHING they can
really use!!)

-- 
D Gary Grady
Duke U Comp Center, Durham, NC  27706
(919) 684-3695
USENET:  {seismo,decvax,ihnp4,akgua,etc.}!mcnc!ecsvax!dgary

barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) (03/08/85)

>	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
>WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!
>	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
>called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
>THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
>BARE FEET!  The POSSIBILITIES and OPTIONS that this one act releases in an 
>individual are absolutely awesome!  To put the POWER and WORTH of this 
>seminar into perspective I would like to add that the FIREWALKING part of the
>weekend was to me one of the LEAST interesting things that was DISCUSSED, 
>DEMONSTRATED, and PRACTICED.
>	For further information:
>	  1) Send MAIL to boulder!UCBACS!CLIPR::BWAGNER for specific questions
>	  2) Call me at home ANYTIME at (303) 494-0462
>But by far the best way to FIND OUT ABOUT THIS is to arrange to meet me.
>Information of this INTENSITY and IMPORTANCE is best discussed in person.

	I can't TELL you how GLAD I am that you POSTED this! I know MANY
of us will want to CAPITALIZE on this OPPORTUNITY! But, are
you sure that "awesome" shouldn't REALLY be spelled AWESOME? ;-)

						KENN BARRY!!!

jas@rtech.ARPA (Jim Shankland) (03/09/85)

> 	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
> WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!
> 	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
> called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
> THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
> BARE FEET!  The POSSIBILITIES and OPTIONS that this one act releases in an 
> individual are absolutely awesome!  To put the POWER and WORTH of this 
> seminar into perspective I would like to add that the FIREWALKING part of the
> weekend was to me one of the LEAST interesting things that was DISCUSSED, 
> DEMONSTRATED, and PRACTICED.

WOW!! KNOCK me over with a FEATHER!! I'm AWED by the POSSIBILITIES
and OPTIONS!!

Barnum was right.

Jim Shankland
..!ihnp4!pegasus!rtech!jas
..!ucbvax!mtxinu!rtech!jas

gino@voder.UUCP (Gino Bloch) (03/09/85)

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> 	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
> WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!
> 	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
> called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
> THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
> BARE FEET!
Shouldn't this be in net.flame ?-)
-- 
Gene E. Bloch (...!nsc!voder!gino)
The accidents expressed above are opinions.

jsq@ut-sally.UUCP (John Quarterman) (03/10/85)

How many OTHER people are going to rePOST the WHOLE stupid THING!
(Which may well have been a parody in the first PLACE!)
-- 

John Quarterman, CS Dept., University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712 USA
jsq@ut-sally.ARPA, jsq@ut-sally.UUCP, {ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!jsq

charles@trwatf.UUCP (Charles Dacosta) (03/13/85)

> 
> 	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
> WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!
> 	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
> called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
> THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
> BARE FEET!  The POSSIBILITIES and OPTIONS that this one act releases in an 
> individual are absolutely awesome!  To put the POWER and WORTH of this 
> seminar into perspective I would like to add that the FIREWALKING part of the
> weekend was to me one of the LEAST interesting things that was DISCUSSED, 
> DEMONSTRATED, and PRACTICED.
> 	For further information:
> 	  1) Send MAIL to boulder!UCBACS!CLIPR::BWAGNER for specific questions
> 	  2) Call me at home ANYTIME at (303) 494-0462
> But by far the best way to FIND OUT ABOUT THIS is to arrange to meet me.
> Information of this INTENSITY and IMPORTANCE is best discussed in person.

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charles@trwatf.UUCP (Charles Dacosta) (03/13/85)

> 
> 	I would like EVERYONE to learn about the most powerful four days you
> WILL ever SPEND in your entire life!
> 	I have recently completed a four day seminar in Denver which is 
> called THE MIND REVOLUTION:  Three steps to personal power.  One of the MANY
> THINGS we learned was how to walk on 1600-2000 degree (F) HOT coals IN OUR 
> BARE FEET!  The POSSIBILITIES and OPTIONS that this one act releases in an 
> individual are absolutely awesome!  To put the POWER and WORTH of this 
> seminar into perspective I would like to add that the FIREWALKING part of the
> weekend was to me one of the LEAST interesting things that was DISCUSSED, 
> DEMONSTRATED, and PRACTICED.
> 	For further information:
> 	  1) Send MAIL to boulder!UCBACS!CLIPR::BWAGNER for specific questions
> 	  2) Call me at home ANYTIME at (303) 494-0462
> But by far the best way to FIND OUT ABOUT THIS is to arrange to meet me.
> Information of this INTENSITY and IMPORTANCE is best discussed in person.

Hello out there, is there any one who has a termcap for the commodore
64.  If so, please send a copy to me.   If there is any thing else you
feel a new commodore user may find usefull it would be deeply apreciated.
Thanks in advance.   
                Yours trully,

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waltt@tekecs.UUCP (Walt Tucker) (03/19/85)

> (Which may well have been a parody in the first PLACE!)

Shouldn't that be:

> (Which MAY well have BEEN a PARODY in the FIRST place!)

                    -- Walt Tucker

john@hp-pcd.UUCP (john) (03/19/85)

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Walking on 2000 degree coals is like receiving a 20,000 volt shock from walking
across the carpet. It sounds impressive but is actually nothing more than some
applied physics and showmanship. Take away the moist grass around the "pit"
and replace the coals with something with a half way decent amount of thermal
conductivity and then see how many go across.



John Eaton
!hplabs!hp-pcd!john