[net.auto] V6 Fiero!!

thoth@tellab2.UUCP (Marcus Hall) (07/16/84)

Well it FINALLY happened.  Pontiac has released some V6 Fiero engineering
prototypes for reviews!!  This means that it will be available for '85!!

The following is from the July 15 Chicago Tribune:

	     After the encounter with the new Fiero, we can only say it
	might be wise to get in line for one of them now.
	     ... The 3-liter, fuel-injected Chevy V-6 is a powerhouse in
	the lightweight Fiero with quick response when you hit the pedal.
	Fiero breaks from a trot to full speed; the claimed time for 0 to
	60 m.p.h. is less than 8 seconds.
	     The real beauty came from the new four-speed manual transmis-
	sion.  It slipped through each gear without doing battle with the
	driver. ...
	     You'll still be able to tell the '85 easilly from the '84
	Fiero.  Look for a little bulge on the rear deck lid, which was
	needed to allow for the engine.
	     Our conclusion:  the '84 Fiero with the base 2.5-liter engine
	is still a great-looking economy job that will deliver lots of
	mileage in exchange for lackluster performance.  The '85 Fiero with
	the optional V-6 engine is a sports car, a go-out-and-get-'em
	machine that doesn't have to back down anymore.

They also had a picture of a Fiero adaptation by Cars & Concepts of
Brighton, Mich. that was a T-top.  It looks very nice (even more like
the X1/9).

Well, I'm about to get in line for a V-6 Fiero.  If anyone on the net
knows of sources for aftermarket parts for the Fiero, please mail me
information.  In particular, is there anything available to re-gear the
steering so that it has faster response?  Other suspension mods?  I
need to know how to option the car when they finally get my order.
Thanks.

marcus
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keb@tellab1.UUCP (Kenn Burk) (07/16/84)

(one for the line-eater)
I've read this article in the Tribune...and the one that preceded it
that explained that Chevvy intended to punch the current 2.8L V6 out
to 3.0L. That same article also mentioned (though, not in the same
breath) that Chevvy had changed the oil recommendations for the 2.8L
from 10W30 or 10W40 to 5W30 or 10W30.

Well...

After owning a 1982 Citation with the X-11 package that includes the
2.8L HO V6 and following Chevvy's *old* oil recommendations, all I
can say about the 'new' 3.0L engine is *watch out for oil problems*...

I am dumping the X-11 because of numerous problems, many of which
are peculiar to the X-body cars and have no bearing on this discussion.

However, the straw that broke the camel's back and *DOES* relate to
this discussion is this:

	I, thinking that Chevvy knew what it was doing,
	followed the old recommendations and used 10W40
	because of its heavier-duty capabilities and
	ended up pounding out a rod bearing (#3 cylinder).

In an attempt to get it fixed, I talked to 3 independent mechanics
who, **UNIVERSALLY**, stated that, yes, this is a fairly common
problem with the Chev 2.8L V6 AND the 3.2L V6 used by Pontiac and
Buick. Pontiac and Buick had, according to the mechs, released
a service bulletin that deleted the 10W40 oil recs AND had extended
the warranty to 30,000 mi. because of numerous failures of
connecting rod bearings. When I contacted Chevvy, no one was
aware of a Chev bulletin that addressed the problem. When pressed,
someone 'vaguely remembered' that 10W40 was now verboten but
didn't know why and didn't know anything about an extended warranty.

To make a long tale of woe a little shorter, the car was fun to
drive but unreliable -- ergo, yeahbye. If anyone in netland is
contemplating *ANY* incarnation of the 2.8L V6 or the 'new' 3.0L
version, be kinda keerful you don't get saddled with Chevvy's
Vega fiasco for the 80's...BTW, the 2.8L has the smallest journals
of ANY V6 ever in production...Chev claims small journals reduce
friction :-)
(of course, small journals = a crankshaft that's a little "bendy" :-( )

So, while the Fiero (pron. Fire-O ?) is , at least, actually built
by Pontiac rather than the GMAD monkeys (General Motors Assembly
Division), watch out for Chevvy's light-duty 'Hi Performance'
almost-completely-engineered motors.

PS: This year is the last chance for an Oldsmobile actually built
by Oldsmobile...they're tearin' down the Olds Lansing, MI plant
assembly lines and converting them to build the new C-body cars.

Goodbye to pride in assembly, hello GMAD (grrrrrrr....)


					Ask the man who owns one
					...and wishes he didn't
						Ken Burk 

kek@mgweed.UUCP (Kit Kimes) (07/24/84)

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	According to the latest issue of AUTOWEEK, this car will
only be available with the 5 speed transmission.  Maybe they didn't
have the 5 speeds available when they built the prototypes.

 
					Kit Kimes
					AT&T Consumer Products
					Montgomery Works
					Montgomery, Il. 60538-0305
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