dmurdoch@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (D.J. Murdoch - Statistics) (01/13/89)
The January issue of Byte talks about X Windows, the windowing system from MIT. I've used it on Unix, and thought that was the only place it ran, but apparently it's supposed to be a general purpose windowing system, and servers for it can be written on any machine with a good enough screen. Does anyone know if there is a server written to run under Microsoft Windows? It seems a natural feature for any terminal emulator to support. Duncan Murdoch
palowoda@megatest.UUCP (Bob Palowoda) (01/18/89)
From article <5417@watdcsu.waterloo.edu>, by dmurdoch@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (D.J. Murdoch - Statistics): > The January issue of Byte talks about X Windows, the windowing system from MIT. > I've used it on Unix, and thought that was the only place it ran, but apparently > it's supposed to be a general purpose windowing system, and servers for it can > be written on any machine with a good enough screen. > > Does anyone know if there is a server written to run under Microsoft Windows? > It seems a natural feature for any terminal emulator to support. Actually I think you have it backwards, run Microsoft Windows under X-windows. And it's already being done. ATT's Unix 3.2 with there X-windows and Simul-task allows this to run on 386 ATT and clone machines. On EGA. Looks good too. Locus has it running under dos. Running X-windows from a dos machine to a dos machine would be difficult to implement the client/server model because dos is a single tasking/single user OS. I would consider Microsoft windows to be a window manager. Thus it would be Microsofts responsibilty to get it running under X-windows. ---Bob -- Bob Palowoda Work: {sun,decwrl,pyramid}!megatest!palowoda Home: {sun,pryamid}aeras!grinch!legends!fiver!palowoda BBS: (415)796-3686 2400/1200 Voice:(415)745-7749
billc@mirror.UUCP (Bill Callahan) (01/19/89)
dmurdoch@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (D.J. Murdoch - Statistics): [Writes about X-Windows] then: In article <1209@megatest.UUCP> palowoda@megatest.UUCP (Bob Palowoda) writes: > > Actually I think you have it backwards, run Microsoft Windows under > X-windows. And it's already being done. ATT's Unix 3.2 with there X-windows > and Simul-task allows this to run on 386 ATT and clone machines. On EGA. > Looks good too. Locus has it running under dos. Running X-windows from a > dos machine to a dos machine would be difficult to implement the > client/server model because dos is a single tasking/single user OS. > I would consider Microsoft windows to be a window manager. Thus it > would be Microsofts responsibilty to get it running under X-windows. Right now, most of the X-Windows software runs on big Unix machines. The displays tend to be specialized terminals. X-Windows itself doesn't contain the window managers. It seems to me that since there are already a lot of PC's hooked up to Unix machines that are capable of running the X-Windows package, it would be very logical for someone to write an MS-Windows application that would serve as the window manager in the system. Most of the real windowing stuff is already there. All you would really need to write would be something that could handle the protocols over whatever link you have to the big machine. That would convert your PC into a very smart X-Windows workstation, for simply the cost of the software. Bet you that would sell! Bill Callahan billc@mirror.TMC.COM {mit-eddie, pyramid, wjh12, xait, datacube}!mirror!billc Mirror Systems 2067 Massachusetts Ave. 617\661-0777 x149 Cambridge, MA 02140
dgreen@squid.cs.ucla.edu (Dan R. Greening) (01/22/89)
In article <22244@mirror.UUCP> billc@prism.TMC.COM (Bill Callahan) writes: > Most of the real windowing stuff [for X] is already [in MS Windows]. All > you would really need to write would be something that could handle the > protocols over whatever link you have to the big machine. That would > convert your PC into a very smart X-Windows workstation, for simply the > cost of the software. Bet you that would sell! It may sell. But, I can tell you it's more than just handling the protocols. There is a *lot* of stuff in X windows, even just relating to how it draws lines and how it handles colors, that doesn't exist in MS windows. Dan Greening dgreen@cs.ucla.edu 213-472-4898 308 Westwood Plaza, #117 Los Angeles, CA 90024-1647
prc@maxim.ERBE.SE (Robert Claeson) (01/25/89)
In article <19717@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>, dgreen@squid.cs.ucla.edu (Dan R. Greening) writes: > ... There is a *lot* of stuff in X windows, even just relating > to how it draws lines and how it handles colors, that doesn't exist in MS > windows. Would it be possible to emulate those missing functions? -- Robert Claeson, ERBE DATA AB, P.O. Box 77, S-175 22 Jarfalla, Sweden "No problems." -- Alf Tel: +46 758-202 50 EUnet: rclaeson@ERBE.SE uucp: uunet!erbe.se!rclaeson Fax: +46 758-197 20 Internet: rclaeson@ERBE.SE BITNET: rclaeson@ERBE.SE
rogerson@PEDEV.Columbia.NCR.COM (rogerson) (01/28/89)
Here is a message that appeared in the xwindow group! ------------------------------------------------------------------- For those interested in using X Windows Version 11 on an IBM-AT or compatible, Integrated Inference Machines has developed an X11 server which runs under MS-DOS using Microsoft Windows. The server converts an IBM-AT into an X Windows terminal. It requires a system with at least 2Meg of extended memory and currently requires an Excelan ethernet board (others are planned). Because the server runs under Microsoft Windows, a large variety of monochrome and color displays are supported. For more information, contact: Tricia Nuskin or Charles Ross Integrated Inference Machines 1468 E. Katella Avenue Anahiem, California 92805 Phone (714)978-6776 FAX (714)939-0746 -- William S. Cole, University of Southern California ARPA: cole@dworkin.USC.EDU
palowoda@megatest.UUCP (Bob Palowoda) (02/01/89)
From article <2389@PEDEV.Columbia.NCR.COM>, by rogerson@PEDEV.Columbia.NCR.COM (rogerson): > Here is a message that appeared in the xwindow group! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > For those interested in using X Windows Version 11 on an IBM-AT or > compatible, Integrated Inference Machines has developed an X11 server > which runs under MS-DOS using Microsoft Windows. The server converts > an IBM-AT into an X Windows terminal. It requires a system > with at least 2Meg of extended memory and currently requires an > Excelan ethernet board (others are planned). Because the server > runs under Microsoft Windows, a large variety of monochrome and > color displays are supported. > > For more information, contact: > > Tricia Nuskin or Charles Ross > Integrated Inference Machines > 1468 E. Katella Avenue > Anahiem, California 92805 > Phone (714)978-6776 > FAX (714)939-0746 I contacted them, another case of the vaporware. It's due out sometime in April. They said they where porting it over from another system. When they release it it will work with the Excelan eithernet card with there TCP. That card and software isn't cheap, somewhere around $800.00. The idea of running MSwindows under X is still somewhat confuseing to me. Xwindows is a client/server model for a windowning system and all that a manufacture has to do is write a "window manager" into it. I can visualize mswindows as maybe an extended set with X. How would one handle the mouse routines? Can you disable them in MSwindows and replace them with with the Xwindows driver? Writting a windows manager for X that has a look and feel of MSwindows shouldn't be too difficult. I can here the lawyers brains clunking on the last statement. I guess the big question is: If X-windows already has the features of MSwindows why spend the time and money getting it to run under MSwindows? By the way they said there package will be around 400.00. You can already get Xwindows for DOS from LOCUS for that figure. ---Bob > -- > William S. Cole, University of Southern California > ARPA: cole@dworkin.USC.EDU -- Bob Palowoda Work: {sun,decwrl,pyramid}!megatest!palowoda Home: {sun,pryamid}aeras!grinch!legends!fiver!palowoda BBS: (415)796-3686 2400/1200 Voice:(415)745-7749