mark@motcsd.UUCP (Mark Jeghers) (05/08/89)
I use Paint (under Microsoft Windows) to make charts, etc. It does not print out very nicely, the resolution is so poor! I send it to a postscript laser printer and it is still big chunky blocks. Text looks especially bad on it. MacPaint is much superior, but, alas, you can't run it under Windows! Is there a "paint" type of program which meets the following criteria (more or less)? - Runs under MS-Windows - Has better resolution (like 300 dpi) - Object Oriented treatment of graphic items (like MacPaint, MS-Paint just treats it all as raster bitmap) - Is preferably PD or Shareware Please help me out here if you know! Thanks in advance! -- Mark Jeghers "I'm the King of Eight and I'm here to state Motorola Computer Systems that everything here has to total eight! ....uunet!apple!motcsd!greek!mark The gaurds, for instance, at my gate ...hplabs!hpda!/ must always total exactly eight!"
jimb@mas1.UUCP (Jim Burke) (05/12/89)
In article <355@greek.UUCP> mark@greek.UUCP (Mark Jeghers) writes: >Is there a "paint" type of program which meets the following criteria (more >or less)? >- Runs under MS-Windows >- Has better resolution (like 300 dpi) >- Object Oriented treatment of graphic items > (like MacPaint, MS-Paint just treats it all as raster bitmap) >- Is preferably PD or Shareware I have a related question. I have not found a drawing package that produces output compatable with WordPerfect 5.0 that produces reasonable quality printed graphics. I use GEM Draw heavily but it is not supported. Many of the "paint" (bitmapped) graphics packages are more difficult to use than GEM but even they do not produce good quality drawings when printed inside a WP document. Or should I expect not to find a package that is compatible? Is this a problem with the graphics package or with WordPerfect? I'd appreciate any comments anyone has on their success or lack of success. Thanx... -- Jim Burke (mas1!jimb) Measurex Corp. {...}pyramid!voder!mas1!jimb One Results Way {...}apple.com!mas1!jimb Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 255-1500 ext. 2014
vpg@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (venu.p.gopal) (05/13/89)
In article <1866@mas1.UUCP> jimb@mas1.UUCP (Jim Burke) writes: >I have a related question. I have not found a drawing package that produces >output compatable with WordPerfect 5.0 that produces reasonable quality >printed graphics. I use GEM Draw heavily but it is not supported. Many >of the "paint" (bitmapped) graphics packages are more difficult to use >than GEM but even they do not produce good quality drawings when printed >inside a WP document. Or should I expect not to find a package that is >compatible? Is this a problem with the graphics package or with WordPerfect? I heard from VP-Graphics (Paperback Software) people that they are trying to work with WordPerfect developers so that WP can read VPG files. Don't have any idea if and when this may happen. Another solution would have been for VP-Graphics, GEM etc. to create encapsulated postscript (EPS) files. WP can read these. If GEM draw will support HPGL output, you can also try reading this with WP. WP will also read some type of files generated by AutoCad. Venu P. Gopal UUCP: att!ihuxy!vg55611 Internet: vg55611@ihuxy.att.com BITNET: com%"vg55611@ihuxy.att.com" or com%"vg55611%ihuxy@research.att.com" Silence those silent letters and save the world 500 million keystrokes a day.
victoro@crash.cts.com (Victor O'Rear) (05/15/89)
In article <770@cbnewsc.ATT.COM> vpg@cbnewsc.ATT.COM (venu.p.gopal) writes: >In article <1866@mas1.UUCP> jimb@mas1.UUCP (Jim Burke) writes: >>I have a related question. I have not found a drawing package that produces >>output compatable with WordPerfect 5.0 that produces reasonable quality >>printed graphics. I use GEM Draw heavily but it is not supported. Many >>of the "paint" (bitmapped) graphics packages are more difficult to use >>than GEM but even they do not produce good quality drawings when printed >>inside a WP document. Or should I expect not to find a package that is >>compatible? Is this a problem with the graphics package or with WordPerfect? >have any idea if and when this may happen. > >Another solution would have been for VP-Graphics, GEM etc. to create >encapsulated postscript (EPS) files. WP can read these. If GEM draw >will support HPGL output, you can also try reading this with WP. >WP will also read some type of files generated by AutoCad. > I've talked with Digital Research/GEM technical support and they say that a new HPGL driver is in the works for GEM Output since the current one will overlay different colors without regard for layers. IE: No hidden line removal. For an object orientated drawing program, this is a serious limitation. I would like to find something better than GEM Draw with multiple output formats. . -- =============================================================================== | Victor O'Rear {hplabs!hp-sdd, cbosgd, ucsd, nosc.mil}!crash!victoro | | USnail: P.O. Box 3972, La Mesa, California 92044, United States of America| | mil : crash!victoro@nosc.ARPA and work: (619) 571-1222 | | | | "Fools, Idiots! Don't they realize that they are dealing with forces | | beyond comprehension!" - "Doctor Science" | ===============================================================================
carlson@gateway.mitre.org (Bruce Carlson) (05/19/89)
In article <355@greek.UUCP> mark@greek.UUCP (Mark Jeghers) writes: >I use Paint (under Microsoft Windows) to make charts, etc. It does not >print out very nicely, the resolution is so poor! I send it to a postscript >laser printer and it is still big chunky blocks. Text looks especially bad >on it. MacPaint is much superior, but, alas, you can't run it under Windows! >Is there a "paint" type of program which meets the following criteria (more >or less)? >- Runs under MS-Windows >- Has better resolution (like 300 dpi) >- Object Oriented treatment of graphic items > (like MacPaint, MS-Paint just treats it all as raster bitmap) >- Is preferably PD or Shareware >Mark Jeghers "I'm the King of Eight and I'm here to state Its not PD or shareware, but Micrographx sells Windows Draw Plus, which is more or less of superset of the Gem Draw and MacDraw capabilities. They also sell a more expensive product called Designer and a top end product that I can't recall the name for. I have used Windows Draw (predecessor of Draw Plus) on an AT compatible with an HP laserjet and I was extremely pleased with the results. THe HP laserjet driver works at up 300 dpi with Windows if you have enough memory in the laserjet. I think Windows has a postscript driver, but I'm not sure of its resolution or how well it works with Windows Draw Plus. Mail order houses have the Micrographx products, but for some reason Egghead Software and B. Daltons Software Etc. don't carry it here in the stores. I called Micrographx on the phone (I think I got the number from an add in PC Magazine) and they sent me a description of their product line. Bruce Carlson
phil@diablo.amd.com (Phil Ngai) (05/23/89)
In article <53798@linus.UUCP> carlson@gateway.mitre.org (Bruce Carlson) writes: |Its not PD or shareware, but Micrographx sells Windows Draw Plus, which is |more or less of superset of the Gem Draw and MacDraw capabilities. They also |sell a more expensive product called Designer and a top end product |that I can't recall the name for. | |Mail order houses have the Micrographx products, but for some reason |Egghead Software and B. Daltons Software Etc. don't carry it here in Around here, Egghead does carry Micrographx Designer but not Draw Plus, although they can probably special order it. Is there anyone familiar with both Designer and Draw Plus who could comment on how the two products compare? -- Phil Ngai, phil@diablo.amd.com {uunet,decwrl,ucbvax}!amdcad!phil "In California, the reward for saving water is a lower quota."
ronnie@xroads.UUCP (Ronnie Phillips) (05/29/89)
In article <25713@amdcad.AMD.COM> phil@diablo.AMD.COM (Phil Ngai) writes: >In article <53798@linus.UUCP> carlson@gateway.mitre.org (Bruce Carlson) writes: >|Its not PD or shareware, but Micrographx sells Windows Draw Plus, which is >|more or less of superset of the Gem Draw and MacDraw capabilities. They also >|sell a more expensive product called Designer and a top end product >|that I can't recall the name for. Actually the BEST graphics program I've seen for the IBM is a program called Arts & Letters by Computer Support Corporation. It runs out of Windows and has more capability than MacDraw on the Mac. It will do all the splines and curves you want plus add points to them so you can stretch and manipulate them to your desires. One of the extra features it supports is the ability to convert text to graphic format so you can stretch and/or redesign text for a special logo ..... It also comes packed with over 1000 basic shapes which can be combined or used as a starting point for your current drawing. It is probablly equivalent to Gem's new ARTLINE program which I've seen advertised (although I've not been able to try out Artline to make any personal comparisons). Arts & Letters retails for $695.00, but if anyone is interested or can't find it locally I can probably get them a discount on it. -Ronnie -- \ / C r o s s r o a d s C o m m u n i c a t i o n s /\ (602) 941-2005 300|1200 Baud 24 hrs/day / \ hplabs!hp-sdd!crash!xroads!ronnie