schaut@cat9.cs.wisc.edu (Rick Schaut) (04/10/90)
In article <53979@microsoft.UUCP> steveha@microsoft.UUCP (Steve Hastings) writes: | My understanding is that Microsoft wants to release the new Windows with as | few bugs as possible, i.e. none. The Windows user community has waited a | long time for the release of Windows, and if Microsoft releases a buggy | product it will make no one happy. Microsoft decided to push back the | release date of Windows to have more time to kill bugs. Sadistic marketing | types trying to be "cool" had nothing to do with the decision. As of March 26th, there were still some known bugs that they were tracking down. However, I suspect that Win3 will have fewer bugs than the earlier versions. If Win3 runs in protected mode, there's a strong chance that they caught some of the more pernicious bugs that were unknown until now. I wonder how many GP faults they ran into... -- Rick (schaut@garfield.cs.wisc.edu) "Your degree in Economics is not necessarily an aide to finding gainfull emplyoment, but at least it helps you understand why you're unemployed" --Samuel Bates
mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) (04/10/90)
In article <4633@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> schaut@cat9.cs.wisc.edu (Rick Schaut) writes: >In article <53979@microsoft.UUCP> steveha@microsoft.UUCP (Steve Hastings) writes: >| My understanding is that Microsoft wants to release the new Windows with as >| few bugs as possible, i.e. none. The Windows user community has waited a >| long time for the release of Windows, and if Microsoft releases a buggy >| product it will make no one happy. Microsoft decided to push back the >| release date of Windows to have more time to kill bugs. Sadistic marketing >| types trying to be "cool" had nothing to do with the decision. > >As of March 26th, there were still some known bugs that they were tracking >down. However, I suspect that Win3 will have fewer bugs than the earlier >versions. If Win3 runs in protected mode, there's a strong chance that they >caught some of the more pernicious bugs that were unknown until now. I >wonder how many GP faults they ran into... > IF Windows 3 runs in protected mode, how can many previous Windows programs work? I know that most of mine - including one that is actually being sold for money - won't. And I followed all the guidelines in the Windows manuals and Petzold's book carefully. I locked down all my segments, used (essentially) small model, but there is one thing that that certainly will break - these programs are incremental compilers and thus I have to be able to execute data. The brain-dead scheme of the 286 prevents that. Presumably you mean that NEW Windows programs - those specifically compiled for Windows 3 - will run in protected mode, while Windows 2 or 1 programs will continue to run in real mode or virtual 8086 mode? If people's programs stop running there are going to be an AWFUL lot of mad people - like me. Doug McDonald
patrickd@chinet.chi.il.us (Patrick Deupree) (04/11/90)
In article <1990Apr10.152705.856@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: }IF Windows 3 runs in protected mode, how can many previous Windows }programs work? I know that most of mine - including one that is actually }being sold for money - won't. And I followed all the guidelines }in the Windows manuals and Petzold's book carefully. I locked down }all my segments, used (essentially) small model, but there is one thing that }that certainly will break - these programs are incremental compilers }and thus I have to be able to execute data. The brain-dead scheme of the 286 }prevents that. Presumably you mean that NEW Windows programs - those }specifically compiled for Windows 3 - will run in protected mode, while }Windows 2 or 1 programs will continue to run in real mode or virtual 8086 }mode? If people's programs stop running there are going to be an }AWFUL lot of mad people - like me. } Yeah, but there'll be a lot more happy people, like all the people that have pumped me for information on Windows 3.0. I mean, the general consensus that I've gotten so far from people is "So what if I have to get new versions of my software. I'll be getting more memory." As for those people that have to fix their programs to work under 3.0 (such as us) we don't really mind. It's just another challenge in the programming world. Oh, and our software involves a recursive descent compiler that has to "execute" data also. I'll say more about my experimentation with Windows 3.0 after it's announced. Patrick -- "Organized fandom is composed of a bunch of nitpickers with a thing for trivial pursuit." -Harlan Ellison Patrick Deupree -> patrickd@chinet.chi.il.us