[comp.windows.ms] windows3

liber@darth.PGH.PA.US (Eric Liber) (04/13/90)

There has been a large volume of noise in this group about Windows VER3 
(here in after refered to as WV3) and its features, cost, release date, etc..
Here are some things I KNOW.  I am using it as I type as a beta tester so I 
can spead with some authority.  For those of you who have Microsoft Bashing as
an avocation (or vocation as the case may be) you may not like this but here 
it is anyway:

1) release date and delays:
	The release date is indeed going to be the last week or so of May.
	Reason: Microsoft is indeed concerned about turning out the most bug
		free product possible.  The current beta test version is 
		very stable but they are still not satisfied.  Furthermore,
		Microsoft does not want to release until the product is on 
		vendor's shelves.  That means freezing the software, 
		producing the "shrink wrapped " release version and 
		distributing it BEFORE IT IS ANNOUNCED.  There is no 
		ulterior motive here just good responsible business practice.
	
	Cost: Very close to the current version

	Features:
	Installation and setup has been GREATLY IMPROVED.  As a matter of fact
	it is now rather pleasant.  After it has been installed it no longer
	needs to be reinstalled you simply click on the setup icon! and answer
	the appropriate questions etc.

	The software is auto configuring for the systems you are running on.
	That is if you are running on a 8086 it knows that and installs itself
	as needed.  There are three modes :
	The real mode: basically for 8086 computers and this is the compatible
	mode with version 2.x.
	The standard mode: for 286 machines
	The Enhanced mode: for 386 machines
	All of these are part of the normal distribution of WV3.  If you 
	upgrade your machine you can simply reinstall on the new machine and
	it will take full advantage of it.
	Bad news: One result of the NEW MEMORY MAPPING TECHINQUES is that 
	version 2.x or lower applications do not run well if at all in the
	standard or enhanced modes.  WV3 can detect this and warns you.  There
	is a way to force WV3 to run in the real mode on a 386 machine so 
	you can still run your V2.x apps.  As a matter of fact you can run
	WV3 in the real mode as a task under the enhanced mode! Two copies 
	running at once!  I have tried it and it works, however the second
	copy is a little slow.

	When running in the Enhanced mode (386) you can now set the priority
	of the foreground and background tasks (individually and default 
	settings).  The range is something like 1-10000 so there is plenty
	of leeway.


	New memory mapping: WV3 now looks at all memory (up to 16Mb) as LINEAR
	extended memory on a 386 machine.  It takes care of simulating 
	expanded memory internally.
	Also on a 386 (not sure about a 286) it allows for a type of VIRTUAL
	memory.  On my 6Mb 386 I show about 12Mb of available memory!

	The swap file can now be preallocated for speed.

	The look and feel is very much like MOTIF. (not too supprising since
	Microsoft has been involved with the motif spec.) Push buttons are now
	3 dimentional and press back into the screen.  The desktop (yes there
	is one) is customizable as to colors, background (wallpaper even!) 
	etc.  WV3 allows for program (or screen) groups so you can create a 
	window of programs.  (Unfortunately you cannot have subgroups of 
	groups.. but they are working on it!)

	In general this is a completely new product and is very slick.  It is
	really designed for a 286 or above computer but it will run on your
	8088 / 86 machines.  It will work on a machine with 640k but 1 or 2 
	meg is recommended.  From personal experience, if you are going to 
	only run a couple of things at once then 1 meg may be adequate.  If 
	you really want to do multitasking (386 type) then 2 megs is fine.
	Of course more is better (probably a truism with any multitasking 
	OS).
	You are going to need several megabytes of free disk space to install
	WV3.

	I am probably forgetting many features.  I really shouldn't be 
	commenting on it because or non disclosure but I am a little tired
	of the misinformation and bashing that has been going on and it is 
	one of the world's worst kept secrets..  It will be
	released soon but if anyone has it now and is not an official Beta 
	tester then it is a PIRATED COPY!  

	Standard disclaimer: These are my comments and not those of my 	
	employer, microsoft, the owner of this system or Donald Trump. 
	

wct1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (William C Tom) (08/19/90)

Having just bought a PC and windows 3.0, let me make a few comments
regarding the two.  If I had known about the limitations of 
Win3 and the weirdo bugs which keep cropping up, I would have just
gone and bought a Mac.  I thought that Win3 would give me the best of
both worlds:  a Mac-like GUI and all the software available to DOS.
That this is nor true becomes obvious quite quickly.  The inescapable
fact is that DOS, with all its insufficiencies, underlies Win3.
Luckily, after 2 weeks exposure, I've become accustomed to restricted
file names, bizarre file manager manipulations, frequent crashes and
screen lock-ups, and a "Terminal" program which borders on the
cretinous.

Windows 3.0 is certainly an improvement over plain-vanilla DOS, but
I'm eagerly waiting for 3.2, or 3.3, or 4.0.....