valerier@beaver..UUCP (Valerie Riveiro) (10/24/90)
I'm looking for feedback from people who have attended the Microsoft University classes on Windows software development. I've been told that there are two; the Windows Programming Environment and Windows Application Programming. In particular, I'd like to know about the technical content, how proficient the developer should be before attending each of the classes, whether the subjects covered were useful and comprehensive, whether the instructors really knew their stuff, etc. Thanks in advance.
goodearl@world.std.com (Robert Goodearl) (10/24/90)
In article <5880@rtech.Ingres.COM> valerier@beaver.UUCP (Valerie Riveiro) writes: >I'm looking for feedback from people who have attended the Microsoft >University classes on Windows software development. I've been told that >there are two; the Windows Programming Environment and Windows >Application Programming. In particular, I'd like to know about the >technical content, how proficient the developer should be before attending >each of the classes, whether the subjects covered were useful and comprehensive, >whether the instructors really knew their stuff, etc. > I took the Windows Application Programming course a little more than 2 years ago. (I took the more advanced of the 2 courses and I believe that's what it was called.) At that time I had extensive C programming experience and only minimal Windows experience. (I had spent a month looking at existing Windows 2.0 prototype code, and had made a few minor modifications to it.) I found the instructor to be very knowledgeable. In fact, the instructor was Paul Yao, one of the authors of "Programmer's Guide to Windows." The material presented was very comprehensive and the sample material instructive. I got a lot out of the course, though I would have benefitted from more windows experience. At that time, I had also been working as a consultant for 8 years. Part of my job was to learn new systems quickly and the develop code for them, and that probably helped me deal with the large amount of new material. Your mileage may vary. ;-) I started a new job about 6 months ago and considered taking the course again to get more information about Windows 3.0. At the time I spoke to the folks at MSU, they said they were in the process of releasing new course material to upgrade the courses and to integrate Windows 3.0. I probably would have taken the course, but the company gave me a choice between the course and a conference, so I didn't go. It's too bad that I couldn't convince the company of the value of the course, because I believe it would have been worth my time and their money (even with almost 2 years of intensive Windows programming experience.) The access to a knowledgeable instructor, who can get difficult questions answered by the folks at MS is worth a lot. I'd be interested in hearing more from someone who has taken the course more recently. -- Bob Goodearl -- goodearl@world.std.com
srw@cci632.UUCP (Steve Windsor) (10/25/90)
In article <5880@rtech.Ingres.COM> valerier@beaver.UUCP (Valerie Riveiro) writes: >I'm looking for feedback from people who have attended the Microsoft >University classes on Windows software development. I've been told that >there are two; the Windows Programming Environment and Windows >Application Programming. In particular, I'd like to know about the >technical content, how proficient the developer should be before attending >each of the classes, whether the subjects covered were useful and comprehensive, >whether the instructors really knew their stuff, etc. > >Thanks in advance. I haven't actually taken these two classes yet, but here is some info: 1) The first class to take is Windows Programming Environment. Assumes DOS, C, and an editor. Five days, hands on, looks like fairly good intro to Windows. 2) The second class, Windows Application Programming, is an in-depth technical class on Windows programming. Microsoft recommends at least six weeks of Windows programming between the two classes. I know several trainers at MU, and they are top-notch. Of course, all classes depend on the teacher-student interaction, materials, etc, but they take their classes seriously (and at $1500 per class, you should as well). There are three training centers around the country: Boston, Baltimore,and Washington (Redmond). YOU MUST REGISTER EARLY!!! Probably at this date all Windows PE classes until 1991 are filled (you can reserve a slot with a card, and get your company to pay -- you are not charged on your card unless you come to class and your company has not paid yet). For more info, call MU at 206-882-8080, get your regional sales rep to send you a technical packet of info. Hope this helps. When I take the class I will post mine (and others) views if desired by this net. Stephen Windsor srw@cci632.uucp