chip@tct.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) (10/22/90)
An associate of mine is working on setting up an Ethernet network with
a 386 Unix server and DOS machines running Windows 3.0 as clients.
server. However, he hasn't decided which network software to use.
I'd like to help him out. In addition, I'm looking for info we can
use here at TCT. We have SCO Unix; he hasn't decided on a Unix, so he
can choose the Unix variant based on availability of network software.
Possible solution #1:
I understand that FTP's NFS and Sun's PC-NFS will work with Windows
3.0; if not, please let us know! Then the NFS support for Unix can
be purchased from the Unix vendor.
Possible solution #2:
I would expect that Microsoft's Lan Manager for DOS would work with
Windows 3.0. (Assuming it's available, that is.) But from whom can
we get Lan Manager/X for Unix/386? Is it even available yet?
Possible solution #3:
I once heard -- though it was not confirmed -- that Windows includes
SMB (Server Message Block) protocol support. If true, this feature
eliminates the need for Lan Manager client software. Of course, we
would still need Lan Manager/X on the server. As a variation on this
theme, could Windows 3.0 talk to a Xenix-Net server?
Any information on the practicality of these solutions would be
greatly appreciated. Please reply to an address in my signature.
--
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT <chip@tct.uucp>, <uunet!pdn!tct!chip>
"I've been cranky ever since my comp.unix.wizards was removed
by that evil Chip Salzenberg." -- John F. Haugh IIpaul@actrix.co.nz (Paul Gillingwater) (10/24/90)
In article <272306AE.4A46@tct.uucp> chip@tct.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) writes: > Possible solution #2: > I would expect that Microsoft's Lan Manager for DOS would work with > Windows 3.0. (Assuming it's available, that is.) But from whom can > we get Lan Manager/X for Unix/386? Is it even available yet? Hewlett-Packard have a version of LM/X for SCO UNIX (as well as their own HP-UX). They also well the DOS clients, based on HP ARPA 2.0, which supports Telnet (using Kermit), rsh and ftp. I have seen it running with Windows 3.0, but they recommend that you wait for version 2.0 of the LM protocol stacks for TCP/IP, to account for the changes Microsoft have made to extended memory. i.e. it will probably run fine in real mode with the current version, but you should get the upgrade (not available yet) to run under other modes. BTW, I post generally since we get charged extra for e-mail from new zealand! -- Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.co.nz
beame@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Carl Beame) (11/03/90)
In article <272306AE.4A46@tct.uucp> chip@tct.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) writes: >Possible solution #1: >I understand that FTP's NFS and Sun's PC-NFS will work with Windows >3.0; if not, please let us know! Then the NFS support for Unix can >be purchased from the Unix vendor. > >Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT <chip@tct.uucp>, <uunet!pdn!tct!chip> > "I've been cranky ever since my comp.unix.wizards was removed > by that evil Chip Salzenberg." -- John F. Haugh II I don't know about FTP's NFS, but Sun's PC-NFS does not work properly under Windows 3.0. BWNFS from Beame & Whiteside Software works correctly under Windows 3.0 - Carl Beame Beame@McMaster.CA (416) 648-6556
kxb@math.ksu.edu (Karl Buck) (11/05/90)
beame@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Carl Beame) writes: >In article <272306AE.4A46@tct.uucp> chip@tct.uucp (Chip Salzenberg) writes: >>Possible solution #1: >>I understand that FTP's NFS and Sun's PC-NFS will work with Windows >>3.0; if not, please let us know! Then the NFS support for Unix can >>be purchased from the Unix vendor. >> > I don't know about FTP's NFS, but Sun's PC-NFS does not work >properly under Windows 3.0. BWNFS from Beame & Whiteside Software works >correctly under Windows 3.0 I'm using Sun's PC-NFS and windows 3.0 together with no problems. You do have to know a few tricks to get it to run though. First you should get win3-nfs.zip from cica.cica.indiana.edu under the /pub/pc/win3/misc directory. This program will invalidate any drives that are not being used directly by windows or nfs (see the read.me file). this should be placed int your autoexec.bat or a batch file you use to run windows. Next make sure that your printer is set up correctly. You should configure the printer so it prints to lpt1.os2 or lpt2.os2 which ever is applicable to your case. The ".os2 options are way at the bottom and easy to miss. I have printed to a hp laserjet series II with a poscript cartridge with no problems for quite some time now. I have heard that people are using the bundled file manager with PC-NFS with no problems but I much prefer using either Command Post (I've also been experimenting with Click!) which is a shareware program also available at cica under the util directory. I find this file manager while not as pretty is much faster and more adaptable to special situations. Have I forgotten anything? Well, if I have I'm sure others will let you know. Good luck. :^) --Karl -- 731 Moro popeye@matt.ksu.ksu.edu kxb@hilbert.math.ksu.edu Manhattan, KS 66502 popeye@ksuvm.ksu.edu kxb@einstein.mpccl.ksu.edu (913)537-3666 kxb@phobos.cis.ksu.edu
geoff@bodleian.East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) (11/05/90)
Quoth kxb@math.ksu.edu (Karl Buck) (in <1990Nov4.192051.24858@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu>): #I'm using Sun's PC-NFS and windows 3.0 together with no problems. You #do have to know a few tricks to get it to run though. #[...] #Have I forgotten anything? Well, if I have I'm sure others will let you #know. Good luck. :^) --Karl Don't forget to configure "UniqueDOSPSP-true" in your SYSTEM.INI file. (Check the README files for details.) PC-NFS uses the PSP as the process id for file locking, and if you try to run multiple Windows apps accessing the same files the lock manager needs to be able to distinguish between them.... Geoff -- Geoff Arnold, PC-NFS architect, Sun Microsystems. (geoff@East.Sun.COM) -- *** "Now is no time to speculate or hypothecate, but rather a time *** *** for action, or at least not a time to rule it out, though not *** *** necessarily a time to rule it in, either." - George Bush ***
phil@brahms.amd.com (Phil Ngai) (11/06/90)
|I understand that FTP's NFS and Sun's PC-NFS will work with Windows |3.0; if not, please let us know! Then the NFS support for Unix can |be purchased from the Unix vendor. It depends on what you mean by "work". If you mean, can you transfer files, yes, Sun's PC-NFS will let you do that. If you mean "does it support printers as nicely as Novell, with BROWSE etc", no, the user interface for that has not changed. If you mean "does telnet run in a window", the answer is no, it does not. So when the vendor tells you it works, find out exactly what is meant by that. Better yet, figure out what YOU need and make sure the product does that. BWNFS is a lot better than PC-NFS in this regard. The version I saw at InterOP did run telnet in a window. The performance was less than optimal but perhaps that will improve. The FTP person I spoke to at InterOP claimed the Win3 market was too small for them to service. I don't think I need to say anything more. -- I voted. Did you?
fks@vaxeline.COM (Frances Selkirk) (11/07/90)
In article <1990Nov5.210912.24480@amd.com> phil@brahms.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: > >The FTP person I spoke to at InterOP claimed the Win3 market was too >small for them to service. I don't think I need to say anything more. WHAT ??!!?! The version of PC/TCP being distibuted at the time we went to Interop worked with Windows, if used one application at a time (and yes, I am including telnet!). AT Interop, we demonstrated an alpha version of PC/TCP that will allow multiple applications in Windows. We certainly have plans for Windows compatibility. Whomever you spoke with must have misunderstood your question. >I voted. Did you? Of course :-) -- Frances Kirk Selkirk info@ftp.com (617) 246-0900 FTP Software, Inc. 26 Princess Street, Wakefield, MA 01880
churti@greco.dit.upm.es (Francisco Gutierrez de Churtichaga) (11/07/90)
Completing your discussion, I would like to say that I begun working with PC-NFS; it does work but consumes a lot of memory; besides, I haven't got NFS Telnet working in a window. So I decided to abandon PC-NFS in favor of NCSA Telnet, which doesn't give transparent file access but does have a very nice and fast ftp capability, from de Unix host to the PC running Telnet. It works under win3, in a window, and with multiple sessions, should that be needed. ______________________________________________________________________________ Francisco Gutierrez de Churtichaga. <churti@dit.upm.es> Departamento de Ingenieria Telematica. Universidad Politecnica de Madrid. SPAIN
sed@sppy00.UUCP (DRISCOLL STEVE) (11/07/90)
In article <3198@jaytee.East.Sun.COM> geoff@east.sun.com (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes: >Quoth kxb@math.ksu.edu (Karl Buck) (in <1990Nov4.192051.24858@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu>): >#I'm using Sun's PC-NFS and windows 3.0 together with no problems. You >#do have to know a few tricks to get it to run though. >#[...] >#Have I forgotten anything? Well, if I have I'm sure others will let you >#know. Good luck. :^) --Karl Our newsfeed has been down and I missed the original article. Since we're looking at doing just this, I'd appreciate it if someone would mail me the original article. Thanks! -- *** ** * | | OO CC L CC // *** ** * | | O O C L C // *** ** * | | O O C L C // *** ** * | | OO CC LLL CC // Bringing information to people!
phil@brahms.amd.com (Phil Ngai) (11/08/90)
In article <1226@vaxeline.COM> fks@ftp.com (Frances Selkirk) writes: |WHAT ??!!?! The version of PC/TCP being distibuted at the time we |went to Interop worked with Windows, if used one application at a |time (and yes, I am including telnet!). AT Interop, we demonstrated Well, yes, but that's hardly within the full spirit of being a Windows application. |an alpha version of PC/TCP that will allow multiple applications in |Windows. We certainly have plans for Windows compatibility. Whomever I am glad to hear it. Does this mean two or more windows with telnet running in them, etc? What kind of performance do you think you will have? |you spoke with must have misunderstood your question. Anything is possible but I think it is unlikely. I am sure it was a person in a bright green FTP shirt and I'm also sure I expressed disappointment at the level of Win3 support demonstrated to me. Perhaps he just didn't want to reveal the nature of future products, but it would have been better to say no comment than that there wasn't a market. Anyway, I'm very glad to hear the real story. -- The Sierra Club got their butts kicked in California on election day.
margan-aleks@cs.yale.edu (margan-aleks) (11/08/90)
In article <394@goya.dit.upm.es> churti@greco.UUCP (Francisco Gutierrez de Churtichaga) writes: > > Completing your discussion, I would like to say that I begun working with >PC-NFS; it does work but consumes a lot of memory; besides, I haven't got >NFS Telnet working in a window. > So I decided to abandon PC-NFS in favor of NCSA Telnet, which doesn't give >transparent file access but does have a very nice and fast ftp capability, from >de Unix host to the PC running Telnet. It works under win3, in a window, >and with multiple sessions, should that be needed. > >______________________________________________________________________________ >Francisco Gutierrez de Churtichaga. <churti@dit.upm.es> >Departamento de Ingenieria Telematica. Universidad Politecnica de Madrid. SPAIN Using NCSA Telnet with a Apple LocalTalkPC card and running it in a window, the connection dies after 10 minutes or so that the Telnet window is inactive. I have the Telnet window in exclusive mode, but letting it run in the background doesn't seem to help. Anyone have any ideas of how to go around it? I don't like going around all my active windows every 5 minutes and refreshing them manually... Thanks for any hints.
Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) (11/09/90)
Any ideas about Wollongong NFS? We are using this, and can't seem to get Windows to even install on the net, let alone run... Renee Roberts
andrew@siesoft.co.uk (Andrew Sinclair) (11/16/90)
Sorry if it sounds like an advert. -- -----------------------+--------------------------+--------------------+ Andrew Sinclair |Telephone +44 344 850 465 | ... I think cousin | Siemens plc (SDG) |Fax +44 344 850 452 | Dell is more than | c/o Nixdorf |andrew@siesoft.co.uk | a little bit |
andrew@siesoft.co.uk (Andrew Sinclair) (11/16/90)
I seem to have lost most of my reply the last time I tried this so
here we go again :
Siemens Nixdorf have an NFS type product called DFS that works with
Windows 3 over an EXOS 205 card.
Advantages it has over PC-NFS - you can unload it without rebooting.
There are lots of other advantages but I am not a salesman - and I don't want
to be.
--
Andrew Sinclair |Telephone +44 344 850 465 | I think cousin is more|
Siemens Nixdorf (SDG) |Fax +44 344 850 452 | than a little bit |
Nixdorf House,Oldbury |{ukc,athen}!siesoft!andrew| confused. |
Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 4FZ, Great Britain| Standard Disclaimer | po@technet.uucp (Peter Onno) (11/19/90)
In <1990Nov5.210912.24480@amd.com> phil@brahms.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >|I understand that FTP's NFS and Sun's PC-NFS will work with Windows >|3.0; if not, please let us know! Then the NFS support for Unix can >|be purchased from the Unix vendor. >It depends on what you mean by "work". If you mean, can you transfer >files, yes, Sun's PC-NFS will let you do that. If you mean "does it >support printers as nicely as Novell, with BROWSE etc", no, the user >interface for that has not changed. If you mean "does telnet run >in a window", the answer is no, it does not. > ... I've been running FTP's PC-NFS with Windows 3 in enhanced mode with QEMM 5.1 for some time. Telnet seems to have no difficulty running in a window. Peter Onno (po@technet.uunet) M/A-COM, Inc. 5 Omni Way Chelmsford MA 01824 Tel: 617-272-3000 X7361