peter@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Diaz de Leon) (11/06/90)
I am in the process of getting rid of my old
word processor (Borland's Sprint) and purchasing
a new one. I am looking at the following three:
1) Word Perfect
2) Ami Professonal
3) MS Word for Windows
4) ???
If any one has any opinions on the above mentioned
WP's or another one I would really appreciate any
opinions. I am leaning to WP's with a GUI. I am
betting that Word Perfect will be comming out
with one soon.
Thanks
Peter
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==============================================================================gg2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Guy Gallo) (11/07/90)
For my money you can't do better than Word for Windows. I've been using
it since it was released and feel it gets better and better the more you
know about it.
The primary advantage of WfW, in my mind, is buried in it's fundamental
design: everything is a macro. All editing functions are contained in
visible and modifiable macros. And then macros have a hierarchy: you could
change a macro on a document type (template) level and not effect documents
based on other templates. You can change macros globally, effecting all
documents. This same hierarchy (and flexibility) also applies to "user-
macros", which can completely change and customize the way the program works.
One way of looking at is this: the program is transparent. You can get into
and change the inner workings. Very little is un-modifiable.
In addition to this great flexibility (due to the macro language), there is a
great power available in "fields". They range from simple things like {date}
to display the current date and {include C:\\filename} to insert another
document (with two way hot link, by the way), to interesting cross reference
capabilities like {seq} to number the occurences of a bookmark and {ref }
which allows you to insert the text of the most recent instance of a paragraph style (nice in headers).
I would also note the implementation of outlining, annotations, and bookmarks
as good points for the program.
My nickel's worth.mmshah@athena.mit.edu (Milan M Shah) (11/07/90)
WRT WFW, I think it will meet my needs, but there is one thing that keeps nagging me. At four different demo's, running on 4 different setups, this is what WFW 1.1 did - Select a large font (eg, 18pt Roman). Now, type in a sentence long enough so that it wraps to the next line. If you are also displaying the ruler, you will see that the place where the break occurs is way before the margin set in the ruler. For a WYSIWIG WP, that's not too good. I know it would drive me nuts if the line kept breaking way before the shown right margin, for I would just keep going to page preview mode to find out where I really was. Anyone know what causes this to happen? Do you know if ATM would fix it? Thanks, Milan .
rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Froot Loop) (11/08/90)
In article <1990Nov6.235413.18797@athena.mit.edu> mmshah@athena.mit.edu (Milan M Shah) writes: >is what WFW 1.1 did - Select a large font (eg, 18pt Roman). Now, type in >a sentence long enough so that it wraps to the next line. If you are >also displaying the ruler, you will see that the place where the break >occurs is way before the margin set in the ruler. For a WYSIWIG WP, that's (text deleted) >Anyone know what causes this to happen? Do you know if ATM would fix it? Well, I tried to reproduce this on my system (Win 3.0 in Enhanced mode, WFW 1.1, 16MHz 386, Paradise Pro card in 800x600x16, using the VGA fonts (96 dpi)) I used an 18-point font, with 1" margins, and right justification (normal, not stretched out to the left margin also). The text looks like it's breaking in the right place to me (1 page document, converted to 18 point). In other words, if WFW left one more word on the same line, it would be past what it shows as the margin. What display are you using? (Which driver, fonts, resolution?) It may just be a quirk of your display driver. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Randy Spangler | Get your mind out of the gutter | | rspangle@jarthur.claremont.edu | you're blocking my periscope | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
kpmiller@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Kent P Miller) (11/09/90)
In article <9564@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> rspangle@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Froot Loop) writes: >In article <1990Nov6.235413.18797@athena.mit.edu> mmshah@athena.mit.edu (Milan M Shah) writes: >>is what WFW 1.1 did - Select a large font (eg, 18pt Roman). Now, type in >>a sentence long enough so that it wraps to the next line. If you are >>also displaying the ruler, you will see that the place where the break >>occurs is way before the margin set in the ruler. For a WYSIWIG WP, that's >(text deleted) >>Anyone know what causes this to happen? Do you know if ATM would fix it? > >Well, I tried to reproduce this on my system (Win 3.0 in Enhanced mode, >WFW 1.1, 16MHz 386, Paradise Pro card in 800x600x16, using the VGA fonts >(96 dpi)) >What display are you using? (Which driver, fonts, resolution?) It may >just be a quirk of your display driver. I don't think it's a driver etc. problem. I have been having real problems with my margins. It may or may not be related to his problem, thought. In regular usage, I set my margins and it wraps the line about an inch before it looks like it should. I've taken to setting the margin about an inch past where I really want it. Does anyone know the problem? (It even does it in plain 10/12 point Tms Rmn) -- ----------------------- Kent Miller KENT@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Bitnet -> KENT@uokucsvx
esp17020@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (11/10/90)
I'm not sure if this is related to the problem discussed in the previous notes but here is what I discovered on my system and what I suspect is causing it: I recently purchased an HP Deskjet 500 and started using WfW 1.0. The fonts menu displays the standard WfW fonts as well as the fonts that were installed when I set up the Deskjet (Courier in several point sizes). Now if I use the standard WfW fonts, the display accurately reflects what will be printed. But, if I use one of the Deskjet fonts, the margins and sizing gets completely messed up. The printed output turns out fine, though. I suspect that WfW (Windows) defaults to a particular screen font which does not accurately reflect the actual Deskjet font. I'm not positive on this, but it seems to match what is happening. Can anyone verify or shoot this down? If this is the case, does anyone know where I can get good screen fonts for the Deskjet 500? Thanks for the help. Sean esparham@uiuc.edu esp17020@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay P Lessler) (11/26/90)
In article <7445@uwm.edu> peter@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Diaz de Leon) writes: > > I am in the process of getting rid of my old > word processor (Borland's Sprint) and purchasing > a new one. I am looking at the following three: > > 1) Word Perfect > 2) Ami Professonal > 3) MS Word for Windows > 4) ??? > >============================================================================== >University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee USMAIL: Peter J. Diaz de Leon >Computer Science Department 7411 W. Warnimont Ave > Milwaukee, WI. 53220 >ARPA: peter@cvax.cs.uwm.edu Daytime: (414)229-3886 >UUCP: {wuarchive, rutgers, lll-winken} !uwm!miller.cs!peter >============================================================================== If you can wait until Spring, Word Perfect for windows is coming out then. With any luck, it'll have both a windows environment and a text-only environment for those of us who have WYSIWYG. jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --Jay Lessler
akm@cs.uoregon.edu (Anant Kartik Mithal) (11/27/90)
In article <1990Nov25.211633.11216@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay P Lessler) writes: >If you can wait until Spring, Word Perfect for windows is coming out then. Last week Infoworld and PC world both mentioned the windows version of WP. I don't remember ship dates, though. It looks somewhat like W4W, and I believe it also ships with a file manager. I'm a diehard W4W person myself. I also use Macs a lot, and the combination of MacWord and W4W is pretty good. I still have problems with binary compatibility and wish that the graphics would go across, but can work around most problems. As an aside, excel uses the same files for windows and the mac, and transfer across is easy as pie... kartik -- Anant Kartik Mithal akm@cs.uoregon.edu Network Manager, (503)346-4408 (msgs) Department of Computer Science, (503)346-4156 (direct) University of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-1202
akm@cs.uoregon.edu (Anant Kartik Mithal) (11/27/90)
In article <1990Nov25.211633.11216@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay P Lessler) writes: >If you can wait until Spring, Word Perfect for windows is coming out then. Last week Infoworld and PC world both mentioned the windows version of WP. I don't remember ship dates, though. It looks somewhat like W4W, and I believe it also ships with a file manager. I'm a diehard W4W person myself. I also use Macs a lot, and the combination of MacWord and W4W is pretty good. I still have problems with binary compatibility and wish that the graphics would go across, but can work around most problems. In binary mode, when w4w writes MacWord files, it can't deal with dynamic links (at least to Excel, which I also use.) So the info for the dynamic link is not passed across. RTF on the other hand does carry across the dynamic link info (as a static link, of course), but not the graphic info. As an aside, excel uses the same files for windows and the mac, and transfer between Macs and Windows is easy as pie... kartik -- Anant Kartik Mithal akm@cs.uoregon.edu Network Manager, (503)346-4408 (msgs) Department of Computer Science, (503)346-4156 (direct) University of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-1202
Hubert Lai <LAIH@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> (11/27/90)
In article <1990Nov25.211633.11216@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay P Lessler) says: >If you can wait until Spring, Word Perfect for windows is coming out then. > >With any luck, it'll have both a windows environment and a text-only >environment for those of us who have WYSIWYG. Ami Professional and Word for Windows are both available now. Unless you are a die-hard WordPerfect fan, I can't think of any compelling reasons to wait for it. Microsoft Word is available for the Macintosh, Windows, and character-based DOS environments with substantially similar user interfaces. Current versions on these three platforms are 4.0, 1.1, and 5.5. Microsoft Word for Presentation Manager will also share the same unser interface and is scheduled to ship in a few weeks. If you are willing to live with a different user interface, you also have Microsoft Word for OS/2 and Word for Unix. Both of these are character based and are practically identical to Microsoft Word 5.0 for DOS. <=- Hubert
freak@cbnewsc.att.com (c.e.malloy..iii) (11/27/90)
In article <1990Nov25.211633.11216@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay P Lessler) writes: > > If you can wait until Spring, Word Perfect for windows is coming out then. > > With any luck, it'll have both a windows environment and a text-only > environment for those of us who have WYSIWYG. > > jpl5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu > --Jay Lessler Also. look for WordStar for Windows around the same time. Yes, Virgina, there are still WordStar users out here. When you have been using a program for over 12 years, and it WORKS, you don't change. C. E. Malloy, III AT&T Bell Labs Naperville, IL att!ihlpf!cem