[comp.windows.ms] X for Windows

keogh@nixeid.UUCP (Paul Keogh) (12/20/90)

Somebody here was looking for information about X on Windows. There is a
company called Visionware, 57 Cardigan Lane, Leeds LS4 2LE, UK who have a
product called XVision which "turns a PC running MS Windows into an X
Window system graphics terminal". I don't have the product, this is information
only. Their phone number is +44 (0)532 788858.
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my@dtg.nsc.com (Michael Yip) (12/20/90)

There is also a software called "X11/AT" for PC/ATs running MS Window
3.0.  X11/AT runs X Window servers on a PC/AT running MS Window.  It
works on machines (286/386) with at least 2M Byte of RAM and ones that
work with MS Window.  The company which makes the software is
Integrated Inference Machines.

	X11/AT
	Integrated Inference Machines
	(714) 939-0746
	Computer Products Division
	14668 East Katella Avenue
	Anaheim, CA 92805

-- Mike
   my@dtg.nsc.com

PS: Again, I have no connection with IIM at all.

rdthomps@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Robert D. Thompson) (12/20/90)

In article <61@nixeid.UUCP> keogh@nixeid.UUCP (Paul Keogh) writes:
>Somebody here was looking for information about X on Windows. There is a
>company called Visionware, 57 Cardigan Lane, Leeds LS4 2LE, UK who have a
>product called XVision which "turns a PC running MS Windows into an X
>Window system graphics terminal". I don't have the product, this is information


	Does anyone have any comments on DesqView/X.

	I am sure many of you have seen the "insert" in the
	current issue of Dr. Dobbs Journal.

---
Robert D. Thompson
rdthomps@vela.acs.oakland.edu

jchin@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin) (12/20/90)

I saw the brochure for Desview X. Looks damn impressive. As far as I am
concerned, QuarterDeck has a good reputation for producing fine products.
But until it is available for sale, its vapourware! I was told that it
would not be available until 2nd quarter of '91, if not later.

Nonetheless, if it really lives up to the claims and specs in the
brouchure, sign me up for a copy!! X is not great (in fact, it sucks
in many regards, e.g. performance), but it will open up a whole new
world for 386 PCs.

Joe
jchin@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca

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currier@duke.cs.duke.edu ( DCAC Network Comm. Specialist) (12/20/90)

Yes, I have a comment to make.  Way back when, (several months ago),
when Quarterdeck started publishing the tech specs for DesqViewX, I
called them.  No prices.  No ship date. No info. No idea when they
would know.  I saw the insert in the latest Dr. Dobbs. So, I called again.
No prices. No ship date. No info other than: "I don't know, maybe we can
ship it in the first half of 1991, but we don't know yet."

Frankly, I am bloody sick and tired of companies that advertise and publish
tech specs for vapourware!  If they don`t even know when they are going to ship,
don't advertise it!  It looks like a truly great product, and really caught my
attention, but after the second "Don't know when", I have lost interest.
I would rather install a less  bleeding-edge product that is real, today.

I wonder if that cover shot of all the X apps is a *real* screen shot (sure they are!),
or if it was put together in ye old cut 'n paste shop?

Sorry for the ramblings,

Bob Currier
Network Manager
Duke University
Durham, N.C.

rdc@bobsun.ac.duke.edu

P.S.  

Quarterdeck, if you read the net, I would *love* to be able to install many copies
of your product. But if it ain't real, I can't use it! 

lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape) (12/21/90)

In article <4366@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rdthomps@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Robert D. Thompson) writes:
>In article <61@nixeid.UUCP> keogh@nixeid.UUCP (Paul Keogh) writes:
>>Somebody here was looking for information about X on Windows. There is a
>>company called Visionware, 57 Cardigan Lane, Leeds LS4 2LE, UK who have a
>>product called XVision which "turns a PC running MS Windows into an X
>>Window system graphics terminal". I don't have the product, this is information
>
>
>	Does anyone have any comments on DesqView/X.
>
>	I am sure many of you have seen the "insert" in the
>	current issue of Dr. Dobbs Journal.
>
>---
>Robert D. Thompson
>rdthomps@vela.acs.oakland.edu

	Gee, giving up on Windows 3 so soon???  I think DeswView/X is still
"under-development" or something like that.....


	So, how you doing anyway?  What type of PC do you recommend (brand
name) next year?


Bryon Lape

dkyoon@pollux.usc.edu (Dae-Kyun Yoon) (12/21/90)

rdthomps@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Robert D. Thompson) writes:

>	Does anyone have any comments on DesqView/X.
>	I am sure many of you have seen the "insert" in the
>	current issue of Dr. Dobbs Journal.

I'v had a chance to take a look at the demonstration of DesqView/X at COMDEX
90'.  One of the important thing about DesqView/X is you can run client 
programs as well as X-server.   In other words, you can run x-applications
on the PC together with server.  So, you don't really have to be connected
to the main host (or remote host) to run x-applications.  At the demo, 
DesqView/X was running on a 386/pc conntected to the SUN (I remember it was
a SUN-SPARCS),  and the performance was acceptable (to me) despite running
a couple of X apps on the PC.  Oh, I forgot to mention this.  DesqView/X
had xterm-like shell application, so you could open a DOS shell-window
on the SUN-Sparcs, as well as unix-shell window on the PC.

The other thing I was impressed is QuaterDeck's own version of window
manager.  It is an icon-based object manager which is similar to
Mac-interface, but to me it looked better than MS-windows ProgManger or
Macintosh.

QuaterDeck people told me that porting an existing X-application to DesqView/X 
environment wouldn't be that hard, because DesqView/X comes together with 
Xlib, Xtoolkit and even with OSF's Motif.  But I think those hassels
involved in memory management won't let the X-apps run smoothly on the
PC.

Anyway, overall impression about the product was very good despite the
crash during the demo. (*only* one crash for 30+ minutes). Of course,
this is not a release version, so I expect the releas version
would be much more reliable.  And, wider support for graphics devices
is also expected.  (Currently they support 8514/A and DGIS, right ?)
 
-- 
Dae-kyun Yoon
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