ergo@netcom.UUCP (Isaac Rabinovitch) (12/15/90)
In <4061@mindlink.UUCP> a1076@mindlink.UUCP (Robert Bell) writes: >I've been using telemate for a few days now and am very impressed with it >.However I am unable to run it from windows 3.0 as a dos application.I have >tried creating a pif for it but every time I run telemate I get the message >insufficient memory,even though I have 550k available for its use under >windows-can anyone help ? Yesterday, I downloaded Graphics Workshop. First I ran it under the command interpreter that I keep running under Windows. Worked fine. Now, GW isn't a Windows app, but it does come with a PIF file and an icon file. So, just to see how it worked that way, I tried running it directly from windows. Windows choked. "Insufficient memory! Try closing some applications!" Closing applications didn't work, which is no suprise, since the diagnostic didn't make any sense -- how can windows not allocate memory for GW itself, when it has no trouble finding memory for GWS *and* 120K or so of command interpreters and TSRs? But that's what I figured out later. What I did first was compare the two PIFs (for the command interpreter and for GW), field by field. There were several differences, but only one turned out to be important: The command interpeter had 0 mimimum convetional memory, while GW demanded 512K. Changed GW's mimimum to 0, and it ran fine. Thus the error message is misleading. Actually, it's just not specific enough (few windows error messages are!) -- you can have plenty of memory free and still get this message, if you don't have the right *kind* of memory available. And message is simply wrong when it assumes that memory shortages come only from too many applications running at once. The PIF Editor's memory forms are misleading also. The minimums aren't actually "required" at all. Come to think of it, they aren't even minimums! If I'm reading the manual right, you'll just get less swapping if you set the "minimum memory requirement" to a value that's close to what the program will actually use. -- ergo@netcom.uucp Isaac Rabinovitch netcom!ergo@apple.com Silicon Valley, CA {apple,amdahl,claris}!netcom!ergo THIS STATEMENT IS VERIFIABLY, IRREFUTABLY TRUE!
wiedenho@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) (12/20/90)
In article <18793@netcom.UUCP> ergo@netcom.UUCP (Isaac Rabinovitch) writes: >In <4061@mindlink.UUCP> a1076@mindlink.UUCP (Robert Bell) writes: > >>tried creating a pif for it but every time I run telemate I get the message >>insufficient memory,even though I have 550k available for its use under >>windows-can anyone help ? > >icon file. So, just to see how it worked that way, I tried running it >directly from windows. Windows choked. "Insufficient memory! Try >closing some applications!" Closing applications didn't work, which This seems to be a common problem. The first time I try to run Qmodem under Windows, it comes up with the 'Insufficient Memory' error. When I immediately try it again (and all subsequent times), it runs fine. What gives? I also get the occasional 'This app has violated system integrity...' for no apparent reason. Is Windows 3.0 really this buggy or am I doing something wrong? Maybe its time to switch to a decent shareware comm program for Windows that isn't cripple-ware (are you listening, UniComm? I refuse to pay for a program this obnoxious, no matter how good it is). Any recommendations? -- Kurt Wiedenhoeft | "Many words have been granted to me, and Wiedenho@Tramp.Colorado.Edu | some are wise, and some are false, but only Univ. of Colorado - Boulder | three are holy: 'I will it!'" -Ayn Rand
jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight) (12/21/90)
In article <1990Dec19.210758.11191@csn.org> wiedenho@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) writes: > >Maybe its time to switch to a decent shareware comm program for Windows >that isn't cripple-ware (are you listening, UniComm? I refuse to pay >for a program this obnoxious, no matter how good it is). Any >recommendations? > Word out of The Forbin Project is that Qmodem for Windows is in the works....I can't wait..... -- ================================================================= Come Visit M-net. Michigan's Public Access Unix and Conferencing (313) 994-5023 jfk@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us jfk@ais.org
poffen@sj.ate.slb.com (Russ Poffenberger) (12/22/90)
In article <62*+4=#@irie.ais.org> jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight) writes: >In article <1990Dec19.210758.11191@csn.org> wiedenho@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) writes: >> >>Maybe its time to switch to a decent shareware comm program for Windows >>that isn't cripple-ware (are you listening, UniComm? I refuse to pay >>for a program this obnoxious, no matter how good it is). Any >>recommendations? >> > Word out of The Forbin Project is that Qmodem for Windows is in the > works....I can't wait..... > The standard Qmodem (4.2a) works great for me in a DOS window (386 Enh mode). With the 16550 uart, no lost characters! Russ Poffenberger DOMAIN: poffen@sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: {uunet,decwrl,amdahl}!sjsca4!poffen 1601 Technology Drive CIS: 72401,276 San Jose, Ca. 95110 (408)437-5254