[comp.windows.ms] NCSA telnet under windows ... PIF needed

leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) (01/31/91)

Would anyone that has a working set of PIFs for using NCSA's telnet/ftp
while under windows please send me a copy of the PIF(s) ... thanks


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silk@dorm.rutgers.edu (Daniel Turner) (01/31/91)

leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) writes:

>Would anyone that has a working set of PIFs for using NCSA's telnet/ftp
>while under windows please send me a copy of the PIF(s) ... thanks


>leoh@hdw.csd.harris.com         	Leo Hinds       	(305)973-5229
>Gfx ... gfx ... :-) whfg orpnhfr V "ebg"grq zl fvtangher svyr lbh guvax V nz n
>creireg ?!!!!!!? ... znlor arkg gvzr

Me, Too!!

Daniel Axler Turner -->-->--> silk@dorm.rutgers.edu

iho@cac.washington.edu (Il Oh) (01/31/91)

silk@dorm.rutgers.edu (Daniel Turner) writes:

>Would anyone that has a working set of PIFs for using NCSA's telnet/ftp
>while under windows please send me a copy of the PIF(s) ... thanks

I haven't had any trouble using NCSA telnet or ftp with or without PIFs.
What seems to be the trouble?  Are you using the Windows-compatible
version of the packet driver with the -w switch?
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mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) (01/31/91)

In article <15488@milton.u.washington.edu> iho@cac.washington.edu (Il Oh) writes:
>I haven't had any trouble using NCSA telnet or ftp with or without PIFs.
>What seems to be the trouble?  Are you using the Windows-compatible
>version of the packet driver with the -w switch?
>--


Neither have I. But what is a -w switch? 

Doug McDonald

krg2@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin R. Glazier) (01/31/91)

In a previous article, leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) says:

>Would anyone that has a working set of PIFs for using NCSA's telnet/ftp
>while under windows please send me a copy of the PIF(s) ... thanks
>

   I have the same problem.  When I first installed Windows 3.0 on my 
system, I ran NCSA telnet as a DOS application with no PIF file and it
ran fine.  But recently I reformatted my hard drive and re-installed 
Windows.  Now I can't get telnet to run at all, even with various PIF
files.  All I can suggest is to get a copy of WINQVTNET (available
at cica).  I use it on my system with no problems.  Hope this helped.

Later.
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iho@cac.washington.edu (Il Oh) (01/31/91)

mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes:

> iho@cac.washington.edu (Il Oh) writes:

>>I haven't had any trouble using NCSA telnet or ftp with or without PIFs.
>>What seems to be the trouble?  Are you using the Windows-compatible
>>version of the packet driver with the -w switch?

>Neither have I. But what is a -w switch? 

"Windows-compatible" switch.  It's how you tell the Windows-compatible
packet drivers to operate in such a mode.
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leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) (02/01/91)

In article <15488@milton.u.washington.edu> iho@akbar.UUCP (Il Oh) writes:
>silk@dorm.rutgers.edu (Daniel Turner) writes:
>I haven't had any trouble using NCSA telnet or ftp with or without PIFs.
>What seems to be the trouble?  Are you using the Windows-compatible
>version of the packet driver with the -w switch?

I was experiencing trouble around the same time I was having the mouse on 
drugs problem.  Having read this message I decided to try it again, and 
amazingly enough, it seems to work (currently as a dos window while in 
386enh mode!) ... thanks for the incentive to try again!

P.S.  	This is EXTREMELY SLOW ... sometimes 50-80 characters behind my 
	typing (I am a Columbus typist).


leoh@hdw.csd.harris.com         	Leo Hinds       	(305)973-5229
Gfx ... gfx ... :-) whfg orpnhfr V "ebg"grq zl fvtangher svyr lbh guvax V nz n
creireg ?!!!!!!? ... znlor arkg gvzr

leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) (02/01/91)

In article <1991Jan31.015311.27838@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> krg2@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin R. Glazier) writes:
>   I have the same problem.  When I first installed Windows 3.0 on my 
>system, I ran NCSA telnet as a DOS application with no PIF file and it
>ran fine.  But recently I reformatted my hard drive and re-installed 
>Windows.  Now I can't get telnet to run at all, even with various PIF
>files.  All I can suggest is to get a copy of WINQVTNET (available
>at cica).  I use it on my system with no problems.  Hope this helped.

I tried WinQVT/net before trying NCSA telnet ... but had to give up as 
>80% time it would die upon startup, the remaining <20% of the time it 
would die (system hung or unrecoverable application error) within 10 minutes 
... therefore being useless for me.

As my "mouse on drugs" hasn't been bothering me lately, I might try it 
again ... possibly with a little more success !

As a side note ... a recent reading  in some PC trade rag regarding the 
Hercules TIGA card (I think) mentioned buggy screen drivers resulting 
in MANY "Unrecoverable application error"s & mouse on drugs symptoms ... 


leoh@hdw.csd.harris.com         	Leo Hinds       	(305)973-5229
Gfx ... gfx ... :-) whfg orpnhfr V "ebg"grq zl fvtangher svyr lbh guvax V nz n
creireg ?!!!!!!? ... znlor arkg gvzr

leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) (02/01/91)

In article <2214@travis.csd.harris.com> I wrote:
>I was experiencing trouble around the same time I was having the mouse on 
>drugs problem.  Having read this message I decided to try it again, and 
>amazingly enough, it seems to work (currently as a dos window while in 
>386enh mode!) ... thanks for the incentive to try again!

One interesting side note ... for some reason the <Alt T> (FTP into the 
PC) times out while I am doing this under windows, but is ok if under 
DOS.  A ping from UNIX host to PC responds ok though (as executed from 
the NCSA telent terminal session).  Any thought from anyone?

leoh@hdw.csd.harris.com         	Leo Hinds       	(305)973-5229
Gfx ... gfx ... :-) whfg orpnhfr V "ebg"grq zl fvtangher svyr lbh guvax V nz n
creireg ?!!!!!!? ... znlor arkg gvzr

wjhauber@iastate.edu (Hauber Wayne) (02/01/91)

In <2200@travis.csd.harris.com> leoh@hardy.hdw.csd.harris.com (Leo Hinds) writes:

>Would anyone that has a working set of PIFs for using NCSA's telnet/ftp
>while under windows please send me a copy of the PIF(s) ... thanks
I am using a PIF file to start NCSA Telnet under Windows.  If I recall
correctly, the key thing is to check "exclusive" "full screen" and "close
on exit".  I have memory set to 52 and kb desired set to -1.

NCSA telnet won't tolerate running in a window hence the full screen setting
and it WON'T run in the background as a server without losing characters.
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mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) (02/01/91)

In article <wjhauber.665359864@calvin.cc.iastate.edu> wjhauber@iastate.edu (Hauber Wayne) writes:
>
>NCSA telnet won't tolerate running in a window 

Not true. It runs fine in a window - in 386 mode of course.


>hence the full screen setting

>and it WON'T run in the background as a server without losing characters.

Also not true. In fact, it runs fine for me in the background and
doesn't lose characters, even if I set its priority to 25.

This is with either the INTERNAL WD8003E driver or the appropriate
packet driver from the current distribution of drivers on ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu
that says they support Windows 3.


There may, of course, be other cards that could cause problems.

Doug McDonald

jackz@izuba.ee.lbl.gov (Jack Zelver) (02/06/91)

In article <wjhauber.665359864@calvin.cc.iastate.edu> wjhauber@iastate.edu (Hauber Wayne) writes:
>...
>I am using a PIF file to start NCSA Telnet under Windows.  If I recall
>correctly, the key thing is to check "exclusive" "full screen" and "close
>on exit".  I have memory set to 52 and kb desired set to -1.
>
>NCSA telnet won't tolerate running in a window hence the full screen setting
>and it WON'T run in the background as a server without losing characters.

This is very misleading... I manage several diverse PC systems on different
subnets here and we have NCSA Telnet running under windows in 
NON-exclusive, NON-full screen modes.  They've been running this way
ever since Windows 3.0 became available, using the modified packet driver
set for W3.0.  (Under 386 enhanced mode, of course)

I leave mine running in background as a server all the time unless I'm
using it.  Never have lost a character (that I know of!) yet.

My pif file is pretty much the default that came with Win3.0 except that I
allow background operation and close the window on exit.  Neither of these
is required, except you won't run in background unless you allow it, of
course.

The ethernet cards are WD8000's, 3C501's, and 3C503's.  Just make sure you
use the correct packet drivers.

Jack Zelver
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
U.C., Berkeley
jszelver@lbl.gov