[comp.windows.ms] Windows @ 1024 x 768 / equipment?

traiger@oxy.edu (Saul Traiger) (02/13/91)

In article <10730011@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> bollard@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Lee M. Bollard) writes:
>I'm considering buying a Sony-1304 monitor and either a Diamond
>SpeedSTAR 1meg video card or an Orchid Prodesigner II.
>
>My primary concern is running Windows non-interlaced at a high
>resolution.

I do not recommend buying an Orchid card. I have two machines, one with
an Orchid Prodesigner +, the other with an OEM Paradise Chipset card which
cost a lot less than the Orchid card. Aside from the fact that it took
Orchid a long time to provide a Windows 3.0 driver, I've found that the
performance of the clone card is much better than the Orchid card. I haven't
been particularly pleased with Orchid's support of the Prodesigner +.

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bollard@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Lee M. Bollard) (02/14/91)

I'm considering buying a Sony-1304 monitor and either a Diamond
SpeedSTAR 1meg video card or an Orchid Prodesigner II.

My primary concern is running Windows non-interlaced at a high
resolution.

I've heard that either of these hardware combos will run Win at
1024x768 non-interlaced, but could someone fill me in on how many
colors I can get?  I assume 16 will work, but don't know about 256(?).

Also I've heard that 70hz operation is better than 60hz.  What can
I expect from this hardware combo? 70hz x 1024 x 768 x 256 ?  Would
I have to spend alot more money to get that?    

I'm really just trying to get maximum bang for my buck on a new video
system for Windows.  Thanks for ANY suggestions.



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tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) (02/15/91)

In article <10730011@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> bollard@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Lee M. Bollard) writes:
>I'm considering buying a Sony-1304 monitor and either a Diamond
>SpeedSTAR 1meg video card or an Orchid Prodesigner II.
>
>My primary concern is running Windows non-interlaced at a high
>resolution.
>
>I've heard that either of these hardware combos will run Win at
>1024x768 non-interlaced, but could someone fill me in on how many
>colors I can get?  I assume 16 will work, but don't know about 256(?).

The Boca SuperVGA Plus is currently making the rounds at about $150.  It
has a meg of RAM and the Tseng ET4000 chipset (like the Orchid PDII).
It comes with drivers for Windows, WordPerfect and so forth.  I get
wonderful looking 1024x768x256 non interlaced out of it, on an NEC 4D
16" monitor (current street price about $950).  **HOWEVER** the Windows
driver is clearly interlaced.  I am still looking for a way around this
as I prefer non-interlaced.

By the way the new generic ET4000 drivers work fine and are newer than
what Boca distributes; they appear to fix a couple of blitting bugs in
the August Windows driver.  Still interlaced though.

traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) (02/18/91)

In article <145048@tiger.oxy.edu> traiger@oxy.edu (Saul Traiger) writes:
>In article <10730011@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> bollard@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Lee M. Bollard) writes:
>>I'm considering buying a Sony-1304 monitor and either a Diamond
>>SpeedSTAR 1meg video card or an Orchid Prodesigner II.
>>
>>My primary concern is running Windows non-interlaced at a high
>>resolution.
>
>I do not recommend buying an Orchid card. I have two machines, one with
>an Orchid Prodesigner +, the other with an OEM Paradise Chipset card which
>cost a lot less than the Orchid card. Aside from the fact that it took
>Orchid a long time to provide a Windows 3.0 driver, I've found that the
>performance of the clone card is much better than the Orchid card. I haven't
>been particularly pleased with Orchid's support of the Prodesigner +.

Which has nothing to do with the Prodesigner II! The Prodesigner II uses the
faster TSENG ET4000 chip set and is generally less buggy than the Prodesigner +.

Orchid are definitely NOT the fastest company around for providing graphics
drivers, though the Prodesigner II comes with Windows 3 drivers so this is not a
problem. I use 1024x768x256 mode in Windows on a non-interlaced display (NEC 4D).
Don't bother thinking about using an interlaced display, the resulting flicker is
eye destroying! I bought the card with 512k RAM then upgraded to 1M byte by buying
the chips separately, buy the 1M version direct if you need to waste your money.

Note that the 800x600x256 mode also needs 1M of RAM which confounds my maths
but I tried it with only 512k and it was a no-go.

In 1024x768x256 mode and with about 70 or so icons on the screen it takes
about 2.5 seconds for a total redraw on my 486, but you can't expect too much
from an AT bus anyway.

Unfortunately Orchid do not supply a 1024x768x16 driver which would be the ideal
situation, windows doesn't even use 256 colour mode and you still have to put up
with dithering! You can view 256 colour .BMP's with Paintbrush but you can't really
edit them as you only get 16 colours to play with. Note that this is a general
windows problem, not peculiar to the PRO II (at least that's what Orchid Tech
Support told me!).


Michael Traub
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BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk

rdippold@maui.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) (02/20/91)

In article <1991Feb18.150536.23536@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>Unfortunately Orchid do not supply a 1024x768x16 driver which would be the ideal

I've been using the Orchid PD II 1024x768x16 driver for over a month now.  I
suggest you call tech support or download it from the Orchid BBS.

traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) (02/21/91)

In article <1991Feb19.204147.26992@qualcomm.com> rdippold@maui.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>In article <1991Feb18.150536.23536@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>>Unfortunately Orchid do not supply a 1024x768x16 driver which would be the ideal
>
>I've been using the Orchid PD II 1024x768x16 driver for over a month now.  I
>suggest you call tech support or download it from the Orchid BBS.

Bad slip up on my part there! Yes your absolutely right, it was on my original
driver disk. I had converted the setup.inf supplied on the driver disk to work with
my 3-1/2 inch distributuion of windows and inadvertantly forgot to copy some of the
driver entries. I had someone local pick me up on this as well. I tried the
1024x768x16 driver, but my 800x600x256 EARTH.BMP file (nice 256 colour globe)
looked disgusting with only sixteen colours so I've gone back to 256 again.

While on the point it would be nice if Orchid supplied the drivers with two
setup.inf files, one for 5-1/4 and one for 3-1/2.

Sorry to have spread disinformation around the network, I HATE it when I see so many
half-truths being spread around, and now I'm guilty as well!


Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk