pickles@mpr.ca (Clive Pickles) (03/05/91)
Does anyone out there know if there exists a MACdraw-like drawing package for Windows 3.0. I am trying to migrate some users off the MACs in our office and onto PC 386 machines, and it would make my life a whole lot easier if I could offer them similar packages on the new environment. CorelDraw is good, but MAC users find it too difficult to understand compared to MACDraw. ANY info is appreciated. Thanks. Clive. -- =================================================================== = Clive Pickles - Systems Administrator MPR Teltech Ltd. (Ottawa) = = Phone: (613) 787-4159 ------------------ E-mail: pickles@mpr.ca = ===================================================================
winslett@widor.cs.unc.edu (Michael Winslett) (03/06/91)
In article <1991Mar5.155145.29000@ottsun1.uucp>, pickles@mpr.ca (Clive Pickles) writes: |> Does anyone out there know if there exists a MACdraw-like drawing package |> for Windows 3.0. ... rest deleted |> =================================================================== |> = Clive Pickles - Systems Administrator MPR Teltech Ltd. (Ottawa) = |> = Phone: (613) 787-4159 ------------------ E-mail: pickles@mpr.ca = |> =================================================================== I am interested in this, too. Please post your replies or mail them to me as well. - Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael E. Winslett University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill winslett@cs.unc.edu Department of Computer Science (919) 962-1710 Sitterson Hall #121
andrew@b11.ingr.com (Poor Mr. Potter) (03/07/91)
pickles@mpr.ca (Clive Pickles) writes: >Does anyone out there know if there exists a MACdraw-like drawing package >for Windows 3.0. I am trying to migrate some users off the MACs in our >office and onto PC 386 machines, and it would make my life a whole lot >easier if I could offer them similar packages on the new environment. >CorelDraw is good, but MAC users find it too difficult to understand >compared to MACDraw. >ANY info is appreciated. Thanks. I find the new release of Micrographx DrawPlus useful, and although I have not used MacDraw in several years, as best as I remember it, the Micrographx product is organized and behaves similarly. When I first transitioned (around '87) from MacDraw to Draw-not-yet-Plus, the only problems I had were due to a lack of features in Draw. It has improved a lot in the last few releases. But there must be something wrong it, I know of hardly anyone else who uses it. Andrew -- Andrew Potter | "t-crosser Intergraph Corp 205-730-8673 | i-dotter" uunet!ingr!b23b!entropy!andrew | Dr. Seuss
akm@cs.uoregon.edu (Anant Kartik Mithal) (03/07/91)
In article <andrew.668300301@madhouse> andrew@b11.ingr.com (Poor Mr. Potter) writes: >pickles@mpr.ca (Clive Pickles) writes: > >>Does anyone out there know if there exists a MACdraw-like drawing package >>for Windows 3.0. I am trying to migrate some users off the MACs in our > >I find the new release of Micrographx DrawPlus useful, and although I >have not used MacDraw in several years, as best as I remember it, the >Micrographx product is organized and behaves similarly. When I first >transitioned (around '87) from MacDraw to Draw-not-yet-Plus, the only >problems I had were due to a lack of features in Draw. It has improved >a lot in the last few releases. But there must be something wrong it, >I know of hardly anyone else who uses it. I used Draw Plus a while back, and heartily recommend it. I'm also curiour about where one can buy a Win 3.0 version. I'd heard that Micrografx was not going to support it because of a move to Designer. Another simple drawing program to look at is XVT Draw, which is also object oriented, but real simple. Its on cica.cica.indiana.edu kartik -- Anant Kartik Mithal akm@cs.uoregon.edu Research Assistant, (503)346-4408 (msgs) Department of Computer Science, (503)346-3989 (direct) University of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-1202
andrew@b11.ingr.com (Poor Mr. Potter) (03/08/91)
akm@cs.uoregon.edu (Anant Kartik Mithal) writes: >In article <andrew.668300301@madhouse> andrew@b11.ingr.com (Poor Mr. Potter) writes: >>pickles@mpr.ca (Clive Pickles) writes: >> >>>Does anyone out there know if there exists a MACdraw-like drawing package >>>for Windows 3.0. I am trying to migrate some users off the MACs in our >> >>I find the new release of Micrographx DrawPlus useful, and although I >>have not used MacDraw in several years, as best as I remember it, the >>Micrographx product is organized and behaves similarly. When I first >>transitioned (around '87) from MacDraw to Draw-not-yet-Plus, the only >>problems I had were due to a lack of features in Draw. It has improved >>a lot in the last few releases. But there must be something wrong it, >>I know of hardly anyone else who uses it. >I used Draw Plus a while back, and heartily recommend it. I'm also >curiour about where one can buy a Win 3.0 version. I'd heard that >Micrografx was not going to support it because of a move to Designer. I got mine directly from Micrographx. At the time, I did not really consider going to Designer, and I wonder what its merits are. andrew -- Andrew Potter | "t-crosser Intergraph Corp 205-730-8673 | i-dotter" uunet!ingr!b23b!entropy!andrew | Dr. Seuss
ISW@cup.portal.com (Isaac S Wingfield) (03/08/91)
We are using both MacDraw and Micrographics Draw (on 33MHz 386's). The general impression is that MG Draw is less functional and VERRRRRRRY SLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW compared with MacDraw. Screen redraws take many seconds (you can watch the lines and letters go up). Sometimes when a drawing is pasted into WFW, some lines or arrowheads don't make it. Overall, MacDraw is much superior, IMHO. Isaac isw@cup.portal.com
tom@mims-iris.waterloo.edu (Tom Haapanen) (03/08/91)
>>> pickles@mpr.ca (Clive Pickles) writes: >>>> Does anyone out there know if there exists a MACdraw-like drawing package >>>> for Windows 3.0. >> andrew@b11.ingr.com (Poor Mr. Potter) writes: >>> I find the new release of Micrographx DrawPlus useful, and [...] the >>> Micrographx product is organized and behaves similarly. But there must >>> be something wrong it, I know of hardly anyone else who uses it. > akm@cs.uoregon.edu (Anant Kartik Mithal) writes: >> I used Draw Plus a while back, and heartily recommend it. I'm also >> curiour about where one can buy a Win 3.0 version. I'd heard that >> Micrografx was not going to support it because of a move to Designer. Poor Mr. Potter <andrew@b11.ingr.com> writes: > I got mine directly from Micrographx. At the time, I did not really > consider going to Designer, and I wonder what its merits are. I'm another Draw Plus user: I have the Windows 3.0-compatible v1.1, which works just fine. It's not as slick as it might be, but it's quite powerful in it's own right, and sells for about half the price of Corel Draw or Designer. I think the reason nobody has heard of it is because I've *NEVER* seen any sort of Micrografx ad for DrawPlus; they only advertise Designer. [ \tom haapanen --- university of waterloo --- tom@mims-iris.waterloo.edu ] [ "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
andrzej@bigsur.UUCP (Andrzej Bieszczad) (03/09/91)
|> |> for Windows 3.0. |> |> = Clive Pickles - Systems Administrator MPR Teltech Ltd. (Ottawa) = |> I am interested in this, too. Please post your replies or mail them |> to me as well. |> Michael E. Winslett University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill XVTDraw is something which I use for most of my drawings (it occassionally crashes, but since I installed the total 8MB on my 386/25 it has not happened). Interestingly, I had a chance to play around with CorelDraw v.1.21. I really do not understand why some people are amazed with that tool. You cannot even draw a line with arrows! To see what are the results of the drawing, one has to open another window (and of course the things get smaller, which makes it very difficult to draw at all). It is true that there are some features which are not in XVTDraw, but I would not switch from XVDraw to CorelDraw ver.1.21. If the version 2.00 (much talked about on this newsgroup) does not change things radically, I cannot understand what is the catch? It is a real pity that the guys who implemented XVTDraw do not invest a little bit of their time and effort to make the program comercially available. Maybe they could give away the source code - I am sure that soon somebody would "put a dot over i". What the program lacks the most is importing and exporting capabilities and at least one font more, namely symbol. Neither CorelDraw (v.1.21) nor XVTDraw can compare with MacDraw. Although PowerPoint is destined for something else, it is not bad in drawings. I cannot say anything about Micrographx Designer. What do other think? PS If there is something like MacDraw (say WinDraw) I would be glad to hear about it (and pay for it, unless it is priced in the same way as CorelDraw is). I think that XVTDraw could sell for at least $50 as a shareware without major improvements. If some suggestions were implemented, its price could be in the $100 range and it still would be a success. -- ======================================================================== Andrzej Bieszczad | Phone: (613) 763-2259 Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. | Fax: (613) 763-3283 Dept. 7G12, P.O. Box 3511, Station C, | USENET: uunet!bnrgate!eh!andrzej Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7 | BitNet: andrzej@BNR.CA ========================================================================
strobl@gmdzi.gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) (03/09/91)
andrzej@bigsur.UUCP (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes: >Neither CorelDraw (v.1.21) nor XVTDraw can compare with MacDraw. >Although PowerPoint is destined for something else, it is not bad >in drawings. I cannot say anything about Micrographx Designer. >What do other think? We use Designer here, and are satisfied with it, mostly. Of course, I have a wishlist (could be faster, less buggy, should have a symbolic exchange format and/or programmability,...), but it has most of the the features we need: arrows (-:, layers, continuous zoom, ability to group symbols hierachicaly, the usual tools of a drawing program, is able to make use of the available Windows/printer fonts, import/export for metafiles and for bitmaps, semi-automatical and automatical autotrace, online help, ... It suffers a bit from featurism - the built-in outline fonts for example are nearly unusable, even on my 486; they probably have been added as a reaction to Corel Draw - but I hope that Micrografx will change their mind and will improve and correct the available features instead of adding new ones. I don't have access to Corel Draw. But from what I read and from a video tape advertising it, I got the impression that it is essentially a program to make nice pictures. Designers strength is the creation of pictures for technical documentation. Wolfgang Strobl #include <std.disclaimer.hpp>
bchin@is-next.umd.edu (Bill Chin) (03/09/91)
In article <1991Mar8.160216.19111@bigsur.uucp> andrzej@bigsur.UUCP (Andrzej Bieszczad) writes: > >Interestingly, I had a chance to play around with CorelDraw v.1.21. >I really do not understand why some people are amazed with that tool. >You cannot even draw a line with arrows! To see what are the results of >the drawing, one has to open another window (and of course the things get >smaller, which makes it very difficult to draw at all). It is true that >there are some features which are not in XVTDraw, but I would not >switch from XVDraw to CorelDraw ver.1.21. If the version 2.00 (much >talked about on this newsgroup) does not change things radically, I cannot >understand what is the catch? You most certainly can draw a line with arrows. I've worked with both MacDraw and CorelDraw, and prefer CorelDraw. I actually have had less problems with Windows than with the Mac GUI. I feel CorelDraw handles colors better, and has an efficient and intuitive tools interface. There are areas that MacDraw handles better, like layering, but overall CorelDraw is a more capable product. MacDraw is more suited to interior design, room layout stuff, while CorelDraw is an illustrator's tool. BTW, I've also played with Arts & Letters, but not extensively. On an 8514/A display (1024*758*256colors on a 16 inch monitor) the tools are too hard to read. Unfortunately, I don't have the money to outlay on these products, and that's my main gripe. Also, one of the latest trade rags gave CorelDraw higher honors than any other drawing package. The thing to always remember is buy software designed for what you want to do. CorelDraw handles what I want to do better than anything I've seen, and I've seen many packages on many platforms. Ultimately, however, I want a NeXT! :-) * I have no affiliation with any of the companies that produce the products I mentioned other than as a user. * -- Bill Chin NeXT & internet: bchin@is-next.umd.edu MS-Windows Programmer CompuServe: 74130,2714 Applied Imaging Lab University of Maryland, College Park *Standard Disclaimers Apply*
SIV88002@NOBIVM.BITNET (Magnus Koeber) (03/11/91)
DESIGNER from Micrograph is very identical to MacDraw. I myself have tried bot
h Corel Draw and Designer, and Designer is by far the most Easy-to-use product
of the two.
Mags - The Viking
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