[comp.windows.ms] HP NewWave 3.0?

bose@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Bhaskar Bose) (03/19/91)

Does anyone have any comments about this software?  I am thinking of purchasing
it, but have never really played with it.

kumarr@hparc0.HP.COM (Kumar Rangan) (03/23/91)

>/ bose@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Bhaskar Bose) /  2:38 am  Mar 19, 1991 /
>Does anyone have any comments about this software?  I am thinking of purchasing
>it, but have never really played with it.
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I've been using newwave for close to a year now & have had no *real* problems
with it. I could probably go on for a few pages (if not more) on how good
newwave is but I'll restrict myself to a few lines :
-Advantages over windows 3 are :
  An excellent object management facility
  Task automation that is far superior to windows 3

- Newwave *does* require windows 3 to be installed. its sits on top of win 3.

- If u want more details on newwave, let me know & I'll send u som info on it.

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THESE ARE MY OPINIONS & DO NOT REFLECT HP POLICY IN ANY WAY,SHAPE OR FORM.

kumarr@hparc0.HP.COM (Kumar Rangan) (03/26/91)

>- If u want more details on newwave, let me know & I'll send u som info on it.
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I have received  quite a few requests for more details. Give me a couple of 
days to write something up & I'll post it. (I do this after hours on my time).
thanks for the requests.

For those of u with compuserve access, theres plenty of stuff there. GO HP.
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kumarr@hparc0.HP.COM (Kumar Rangan) (03/26/91)

HP's integrated business desktop environment NewWave provides 
a seamless access system with a consistent object oriented 
user interface to all applications a user might access on a 
PC. 

A consistent front end to a number of different tools is 
already being provided by various window based GUI 
suppliers. NewWave adds four key features to this type of 
user environment :

Encapsulation:
This feature protects your investment in existing MS-DOS & 
Windows application software, by incorporating these 
applications into the NewWave environment where they appear 
as objects. Encapsulation is provided at 3 levels of 
sophistication. At the highest level, applications can be 
made to look like purpose-built NewWave applications and 
their data can be "shared". At the lowest level you still get 
the application running as an object from your desktop. No 
longer will you need to remember file names, directories etc. 

True Integration of different data types:
NewWave provides true integration of different data types 
(like text, database data, spreadsheets, graphics, scanned 
images) in one document thru its Object Management Facility. 
This means that a spreadsheet stays as a functioning 
spreadsheet rather than a character string even when pasted 
into a page of text, or a piechart is still that, not a 
series of pixels. If you try to edit one of these components, 
the appropriate application program would be fired up. Any 
change made, say in the spreadsheet will result in the 
recalculation of all other related fields.

Information Linking:
A data item (like a spreadsheet, a graphic item etc) can 
either be copied from one object to another or it can be 
"shared". When it is a shared item, any change made to the 
object in one location is automatically & immediately updated 
in all the other locations where all or part of it appears. 
This enables the user to be confident about the validity & 
integrity of the data item(s) that he is presented with.  

Task Automation:
This facility (the Agent) allows the user to record a 
sequence of instructions to be played back at the click of a 
mouse, or scheduled for a given time. It is especially useful 
for the automation of functions that are periodically 
performed using software on the PC/host you may connect to.
The sequence of instructions recorded are stored in an "Agent 
Task" icon which is handed to the Agent to be performed. It 
is also possible to schedule the task on a repetitive basis 
(daily, weekly, monthly etc).The instructions recorded can be 
modified using a powerful Agent Task Language which has an 
English-like command structure.

NewWave is aimed at the "knowledge worker", the non-
technical, professional information processor NOT the "DOS 
Guru". 

If any of u want *more* info, the fastest way may be to contact the 
nearest HP dealer/sales office.

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*  Kumar Rangan			                                          *
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richi@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Jennings) (03/28/91)

Kumar posts a nice summary, to which I'd like to draw out a few points,
both from my own experience of using NewWave and WRT the program manager
& DDE...

>A consistent front end to a number of different tools is 
>already being provided by various window based GUI 
>suppliers.

As well as the apps.  shipped as standard in the NewWave box, I also use
Micrografx Charisma for NewWave, Dexotek's Office Accessories and Excel 3.0.


>Encapsulation:
>This feature protects your investment in existing MS-DOS & 
>Windows application software, by incorporating these 
>applications into the NewWave environment where they appear 
>as objects. Encapsulation is provided at 3 levels of 
>sophistication. At the highest level, applications can be 
>made to look like purpose-built NewWave applications and 
>their data can be "shared".

Object sharing (in the sense that an object can be filed in more than
one place) *is* available for object types encapsulated at the simplest
level.  The more complex levels of encapsulation are required in order
to allow the encapsulated objects to be viewed inside another object
(e.g.  a Excel 3.0 spreadsheet inside an Ami/NewWave document).  This
typically involves developing a NewWave browser, or modifying the app.
to be NewWave-compliant.


>True Integration of different data types:
>NewWave provides true integration of different data types 
>(like text, database data, spreadsheets, graphics, scanned 
>images) in one document thru its Object Management Facility. 

Note that the underlying app.  for the document type does not need to be
updated, in order to support a new document type!  For example, no
changes were necessary to the NewWave Write application to support the
inclusion of objects that display full-motion video in a window.


>Information Linking:
>A data item (like a spreadsheet, a graphic item etc) can 
>either be copied from one object to another or it can be 
>"shared". When it is a shared item, any change made to the 
>object in one location is automatically & immediately updated 
>in all the other locations where all or part of it appears. 

The key words here are "automatically" and "immediately":  No DDE dialog
box asking the user whether it's OK to fire up the application; no
concerns that the app.  might hang the system or run out of memory while
updating the "links" and thus lose the changes.  NewWave objects shared
in multiple locations are ACTUALLY THE SAME OBJECT.  The NewWave Object
Manager maintains the links to the ONE object, so the automatic update
is instant.


>Task Automation:
>This facility (the Agent) allows the user to record a 
>sequence of instructions to be played back at the click of a 
>mouse, or scheduled for a given time. It is especially useful 
>for the automation of functions that are periodically 
>performed using software on the PC/host you may connect to.

The task language is orders of magnitude more powerful, flexible and
robust than the Windows 3.0 Recorder.  With the Windows recorder, you
only need to move a window by a few pixels, or rename a completely
unrelated file, and your task either doesn't work, or (more worryingly)
does the wrong thing (e.g.  deletes the wrong file).


Regards,

richi.
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Joel_Murray@mindlink.UUCP (Joel Murray) (03/28/91)

One more (perhaps silly) question about HP NewWave:

Does NewWave perceptably slow down one's computer?  I have a 25 Mhz 386 DX with
8 megs of memory.  Would there be any slowdown on my machine?

I am interested in NewWave but not if it "bogs" things down.
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kumarr@hparc0.HP.COM (Kumar Rangan) (04/01/91)

>Does NewWave perceptably slow down one's computer?  I have a 25 Mhz 386 DX with
>8 megs of memory.  Would there be any slowdown on my machine?
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    = a23@mindlink.uucp   [or]  uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a23 =
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I'm using newwave on a 20Mhz 386 with 4MB RAM & 40MB disc using QEMM 5.1
I've had no *real* problems with the performance. I guess it all depends
on what u measure against & what u call *good* performance. Sorry I cant
be more specific! Theres one way for u to find out.....
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*  Kumar Rangan			                                          *
*  HP Wellington                Internet   : kumarr@hparc0.aus.hp.com     *
*  New Zealand                  Compuserve : 76320,532                    *
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